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airfrogusmc wrote in post #18995520
I print. In my opinion a photogrpah isn't finished until it is a print. I try to exhibit once or twice a year. I had a big exhibit in Hamburg Germany last year. One here in Chicago June of 2018. I do have these in the 10 sec rotation now as a screen savers.

Seeing and enjoining them over the net and now in your book, I have to admit, I like them in the book most.
I never understood Bill Pierce statement about prints from Monochrome, until I get it from your book with pictures taken with Monochrome.

kf095 wrote in post #18995805
Seeing and enjoining them over the net and now in your book, I have to admit, I like them in the book most.
I never understood Bill Pierce statement about prints from Monochrome, until I get it from your book with pictures taken with Monochrome.

Thank you my friend.

And like I have said a lot of times, being the old dark room rat is,the M Monochrom is the ONLY digital B&W I warmed up to.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #18995771
That's why I said in my opinion. I have seen tons of large shadow boxed, back lit transparencies and other types of back lit images and I still think with color, a beautiful die transfer print or now some ink jet prints if done right are far more to my liking. For me with B&W I usually prefer silver gelatin and platinum prints over ink jet though I am now printing inkjet for B&W these days.

And long may you continue to get and give joy from your excellent images!

I don't see print and electronic output as competitive, I see them as complimentary. Many people will never print because the cannot afford to, have no access to that technology, or simply wish to post on the web or social media.

If you have access to Netflix it might be worth looking for a series called "Tales By Light". It's an excellent series (obviously promoting Canon), showing skilled photographers in varied situations plying their craft.

In the first series, "Simplicity in capturing the icy 'Himalayas' of Antarctica" not only shows us magnificent scenery but the photographer expresses, like you, the joy of the print.

In the second series the one "Life and death with Stephen Dupont" highlights the humble photographer of the dead in India, fulfilling a need for families to record the cremation of their loved ones. The print, in its humblest environment stands as a cherished thing".

That's one of the things I love about photography, it's application and engagement are as diverse as our humanity.
We can each find our own space and explore our creative boundaries, and in doing so often give joy to others.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #18995520
I print. In my opinion a photogrpah isn't finished until it is a print. I try to exhibit once or twice a year. I had a big exhibit in Hamburg Germany last year. One here in Chicago June of 2018. I do have these in the 10 sec rotation now as a screen savers.

We rather got off on a tangent discussing the merits of the print, which was not my intent. I see you have your images as a screen saver, but what do you have as your actual desktop background (which was my original question..)

I think the display of print vs back lit displays is very different. I believe that images that print may or may not look good in a back lit display just as ones that look right backlit may not work as prints. Scale is also something that should be taken into account. My thoughts are just that. My thoughts which may be right for others or ma not be right but I believe that for me and the way I work a photography is not finished until it is a print. Flavor to taste. Your flavor might be much different form mine. The images I posted are screen savers that come on after a while not desktop display.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #18996046
I think the display of print over back lit displays is very different. I believe that images that print may or may not look good in a back lit display just as ones that look right backlit may not work as prints. Scale is also something that should be taken into account. My thoughts are just that. My thoughts which may be right for others or ma not be right but I believe that for me and the way I work a photography is not finished until it is a print. Flavor to taste. Your flavor might be much different form mine. The images I posted are screen savers that come on after a while not desktop display.

Ahn no desktop display, fair enough though!

"believe that for me and the way I work a photography is not finished until it is a print" I absolutely respect that.

I printed for a while, but for a specific purpose. I was the site photographer on a dam project in Gippesland, Victoria, Australia. I had just come from NZ, where I could not afford camera equipment (this is around 1980 and the cost with taxes and duties was criminal), so I bought photography books and studied the images and how they were taken ad nauseam. Finally I got my gear duty free on the way to Oz to start my big Overseas Experience (OE) - being arguably the most remote 1st world country, it is normal for you NZers to do that. So I arrived in Oz and practiced with my camera until I got an interview for the project as an engineer. In the interview they asked me what I did for a hobby (in remote place that can be significant), so of course I said photography! They gave me the job and asked if I would like to be the site photographer, which I quickly accepted - more money and chances to shoot. When I got on the site, as part of the induction, they showed my my darkroom. I was taken aback... I had not studied that in the books as I expected to shoot transparencies of c41 film and have it processed commercially. Luckily I still had the book and after some ruined images I was churning out decent monochrome images for documentation and publication. Once I was finished I shot in transparency only (that's what the market was).

My images are wildlife, scenic, and travel, so I would not regard them in the same genre as yours. One thing that precluded me from pursuing printing was my nomadic life - for years I was either on the move or in cramped apartments. These days I am settled down, but what might have been a darkroom in our home is now occupied by my step-daughter who is a student and who helps we with my wife's needs (she has cancer). Needs must as they say...

Tronhard, consider purchase of the Samsung 'The Frame', and putting it into Art mode
https://www.samsung.co​m …tvs/the-frame/highlights/

The images preloaded can be stunning; the preloaded video sequences can make you swear you are seeing 3D as the scene pans about.
You can put in your own images, too, via plugging in a USB drive to transfer images. My son-in-law (and my stepdaughter) has The Frame, and I have stood there transfixed for long periods.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #18995836
Thank you my friend.

And like I have said a lot of times, being the old dark room rat I is,the M Monochrom is the ONLY digital B&W I warmed up to.

Can you elaborate a bit about Monochrom, and how it appears different from typical digital print attempts (that turn me off) so that you have warmed to it?

Tronhard wrote in post #18996067
Ahn no desktop display, fair enough though!

"believe that for me and the way I work a photography is not finished until it is a print" I absolutely respect that.

I printed for a while, but for a specific purpose. I was the site photographer on a dam project in Gippesland, Victoria, Australia. I had just come from NZ, where I could not afford camera equipment (this is around 1980 and the cost with taxes and duties was criminal), so I bought photography books and studied the images and how they were taken ad nauseam. Finally I got my gear duty free on the way to Oz to start my big Overseas Experience (OE) - being arguably the most remote 1st world country, it is normal for you NZers to do that. So I arrived in Oz and practiced with my camera until I got an interview for the project as an engineer. In the interview they asked me what I did for a hobby (in remote place that can be significant), so of course I said photography! They gave me the job and asked if I would like to be the site photographer, which I quickly accepted - more money and chances to shoot. When I got on the site, as part of the induction, they showed my my darkroom. I was taken aback... I had not studied that in the books as I expected to shoot transparencies of c41 film and have it processed commercially. Luckily I still had the book and after some ruined images I was churning out decent monochrome images for documentation and publication. Once I was finished I shot in transparency only (that's what the market was).

My images are wildlife, scenic, and travel, so I would not regard them in the same genre as yours. One thing that precluded me from pursuing printing was my nomadic life - for years I was either on the move or in cramped apartments. These days I am settled down, but what might have been a darkroom in our home is now occupied by my step-daughter who is a student and who helps we with my wife's needs (she has cancer). Needs must as they say...

So sorry to hear about your wife brother.

I shot a lot of transparency film back in the day. Until a few years ago I still had some Kodachrome 64 120 in my freezer. I shot a lot a fair amount of medium format transparencies as well as 4X5 and 8X10. Graduated in 1986 with a B/A in photography and have been working full time professionally since. Commercial/advertising with a specialty in healthcare. I shot a fair amount of Kodachrome 25 135 format to. But my main love is B&W. I took a couple of semesters of the zone system (required) n college. Yeah I did all the tests. But got hooked on the streets for my personal work and that has stuck. I used to print my transparencies on Cibachrome and I also knew how to do die transfer. Most of my pro work is color and most of my personal work is B&W. I had a darkroom or access to one until about 10 years ago. Divorce and forced downsizing and one of my clients took out there darkroom so I am all digital today and have been mostly digital since late 05.

Wilt wrote in post #18996096
Can you elaborate a bit about Monochrom, and how it appears different from typical digital print attempts (that turn me off) so that you have warmed to it?

Yes I can. The files from the MM are different from color. Most that shoot with the MM and then process the files get it immediately. The original MM has great tonality in the mid ranges. The final prints are amazing. The files are just a real joy to work on. I have the original MM and I can only imagine what the new one is like

Here's video with a bit more technical info on B&W only sensors and the new M 10 Mono that probably explains the technical end much better than I can ever explain.
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=oPgpGWceUWo

Tronhard wrote in post #18995963
And long may you continue to get and give joy from your excellent images!

I don't see print and electronic output as competitive, I see them as complimentary. Many people will never print because the cannot afford to, have no access to that technology, or simply wish to post on the web or social media.

Nothing unlike the past 'color neg vs. color transparency' so-called debate...
one makes nice prints the other dazzles you with a projected image

1. Transparency looks great when projected, but less dazzling when printed
   
2. Neg is better if you need retouching to remove subject imperfections and then printed as a Portrait, the other gives punchier colors
   
3. One is when the primary output is a print, the other is when the primary output is for printing by the offset press.
   

Wilt did I answer your question?
Are you thinking about a Monochrom?

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I would have thought the additive color properties of a computer display are more analogous to slide transparencies. When it comes to digital prints...I don't have too much issues printing from my calibrated display to printer. I like printing 13x19 from my photo printer and get more compliments from its tangible. There's a certain amount of equal accolades scrolling through my photos on Smugmug with my phone....but not quite as intimate when it's a print that you can walk up to.

For the topic of desktop...I do prefer a darker background overall to get icons pop (evident in the screenshots I provided).