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Jan 15, 2020 09:25 |  #1486

I wouldnt shoot a brick wall...it wont tell you if something is sharper in front of or behind your target.(just read at an angle, so it would. Still wouldnt do it)..throw a couple boxes with writing at different planes....put the lens on a tripod. Shoot in live view, and then shoot thru the viewfinder...if the results arent the same something is off.


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Jan 15, 2020 09:37 |  #1487

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I have not. Unfortunately I do not have the Tamron Tap-In Console adapter.

Another option that may or may not be attractive to you is to send your body and lens to Tamron for MFA. If the lens is still under warranty it is free, aside from the postage to Tamron. Their turnaround time is very short. I did this with my 150-600 G2, as I was having a difficult time with the infinity focus. For me, given how much I use this lens, it was worth it to have the lens dialed in at all distances and focal lengths.


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Jan 15, 2020 11:53 |  #1488

DreDaze wrote in post #18992477 (external link)
I wouldnt shoot a brick wall...it wont tell you if something is sharper in front of or behind your target.(just read at an angle, so it would. Still wouldnt do it)..throw a couple boxes with writing at different planes....put the lens on a tripod. Shoot in live view, and then shoot thru the viewfinder...if the results arent the same something is off.

John's method should work well if shooting the right kind of plane surface at a slight angle. So should your "cereal box" method. The main message is to approach the issue analytically to find out what the problem actually is.


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Jan 15, 2020 18:56 |  #1489

Archibald wrote in post #18992543 (external link)
John's method should work well if shooting the right kind of plane surface at a slight angle. So should your "cereal box" method. The main message is to approach the issue analytically to find out what the problem actually is.

My approach guarantees that *something* will be at maximum focus. That lets you know right away of what the lens is capable of.

Setting things up so that they only exist at discrete differences does not necessarily show you maximum sharpness possible with the lens.




  
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Jan 15, 2020 19:58 |  #1490

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My approach guarantees that *something* will be at maximum focus. That lets you know right away of what the lens is capable of.
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Yes, but the implementation can sometimes be difficult, because suitable walls can be hard to find (especially here in Calgary currently where it is -30°C now).


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Jan 16, 2020 02:07 |  #1491

John Sheehy wrote in post #18992719 (external link)
My approach guarantees that *something* will be at maximum focus. That lets you know right away of what the lens is capable of.

Setting things up so that they only exist at discrete differences does not necessarily show you maximum sharpness possible with the lens.

using live view will show you the maximum sharpness possible since there is no chance of the AF being off...that's why i said to take a shot with live view, and compare it to through the viewfinder...and use the different planes to figure out which way you need to adjust the focus


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Jan 16, 2020 07:46 |  #1492

DreDaze wrote in post #18992806 (external link)
using live view will show you the maximum sharpness possible since there is no chance of the AF being off...

That's not completely true. Live View AF has less accuracy problems, but is not totally without them.

My suggestion takes no time at all to set up, if you are in the right situation.

I often do what you suggest for the extra information, don't get me wrong, but I always do the angled surface test first, because it tells you in one shot (if shutter speed is good and ISO is reasonable) just how sharp the lens can be with whatever RAW conversion is used. It's a quick no-brainer that lets you know potential right out of the gate. A camera on a tripod at a slow shutter speed chosen for a low ISO in low light, BTW, is not as stable as a hand-held steady shot at a high shutter speed. Tripods oscillate, and never give maximum sharpness unless shutter speeds are used that would also give sharp hand-held shots. Tripods simply restrain motion within a smaller angle than the free drift range otherwise possible, hand-held. I have rarely seen tripod shots at slow and moderate shutter speeds that are as sharp as my best hand-held shots, even with mirrorless or live view, where the shutter curtains are the only mechanical motion.

that's why i said to take a shot with live view, and compare it to through the viewfinder...and use the different planes to figure out which way you need to adjust the focus

Yes, but you don't know what the best possible focus is with the lens, making it harder to know if you're achieving it. That's why my first move is the angled surface, so you know what to expect. The softer the lens is, optically, the more difficult it is going to be to precisely MFA it, and it's good to go into any MFA process knowing what you've got.




  
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Jan 16, 2020 09:46 |  #1493

John Sheehy wrote in post #18992881 (external link)
That's not completely true. Live View AF has less accuracy problems, but is not totally without them.

My suggestion takes no time at all to set up, if you are in the right situation.

I often do what you suggest for the extra information, don't get me wrong, but I always do the angled surface test first, because it tells you in one shot (if shutter speed is good and ISO is reasonable) just how sharp the lens can be with whatever RAW conversion is used. It's a quick no-brainer that lets you know potential right out of the gate. A camera on a tripod at a slow shutter speed chosen for a low ISO in low light, BTW, is not as stable as a hand-held steady shot at a high shutter speed. Tripods oscillate, and never give maximum sharpness unless shutter speeds are used that would also give sharp hand-held shots. Tripods simply restrain motion within a smaller angle than the free drift range otherwise possible, hand-held. I have rarely seen tripod shots at slow and moderate shutter speeds that are as sharp as my best hand-held shots, even with mirrorless or live view, where the shutter curtains are the only mechanical motion.

Yes, but you don't know what the best possible focus is with the lens, making it harder to know if you're achieving it. That's why my first move is the angled surface, so you know what to expect. The softer the lens is, optically, the more difficult it is going to be to precisely MFA it, and it's good to go into any MFA process knowing what you've got.

What possible accuracy focus can happen in live view?


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Jan 16, 2020 17:39 |  #1494

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These were taken from MFD (10') and very slightly cropped. I am very pleased with the resolution of my 90d. Auto focus needs more contrast than my 7dii, to be accurate (IMHO).

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Jan 17, 2020 04:49 |  #1495

DreDaze wrote in post #18992947 (external link)
What possible accuracy focus can happen in live view?

You left a word or two out of your sentence, perhaps.

Are you suggesting that it is perfect? I doubt that we are there yet, and even if we were, it only applies to a perfectly flat matte surface with one wavelength of light. It takes time to focus perfectly, so the camera has to just say "good enough" at some point when light is good, and fast focus gets you close enough, quickly.

Call me a skeptic, but when other people say, "we have arrived", I just say, "we are now closer".

Anyway, my main point was not that Live View AF is wrong; it is pretty good with the 90D, and reliable for photography; my point was simply that in order to get a handle on just how sharp your lens is, it is valuable to just take a shot where something *must* be in maximum focus.




  
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Jan 17, 2020 04:57 |  #1496

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Not sure whether to post here or the Flash sub-forum, but as it's camera specific here seems to make sense (Mods, please redirect if not)

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Can anyone recommend a suitable compatible flash as an alternative to the Canon Speedlite 600EX II-RT. I really can't stretch to £500+.

Thanks.

Check out used or refurbished 600 EX-RT version 1.




  
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Jan 19, 2020 13:38 |  #1497

Got the 90D begin of this month with the EF 100-400mm II. Now is a good time to learn and practice with the new gear to be ready for the spring. I'm very happy with the results I'm getting now, even in low light.
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Jan 19, 2020 16:07 |  #1498

My first Merlin!!! Lousy light!! But got a great clean shot


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Jan 23, 2020 16:54 |  #1499

anyone have low light sports pics
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Jan 25, 2020 18:34 |  #1500

Glossy Ibis with the 90D and 100-400II. I had quite a few AF failures with this subject, because it is dark, I think. But this shot was OK.

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