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"If you can't get close enough to fill the frame, don't take the shot"

 
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Did you use the flippy screen and a nifty 50 ? ROFL just noticed the meta data, OMG you are nuts!!!

Nice shot

Nah. It's a python. A bit bitey but non-venomous. I was riding my motorcycle through Lamington National Park and so was wearing leathers!


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Mar 11, 2020 18:24 |  #92

Nice unique shot.

That is a different kind of snake than we have around here.
When I see something like that, I follow the scriptures as closely as I can and stomp his head into the ground with my boot heel.
The only good snake is a dead snake.




  
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Mar 11, 2020 18:53 |  #94

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Nice unique shot.

That is a different kind of snake than we have around here.
When I see something like that, I follow the scriptures as closely as I can and stomp his head into the ground with my boot heel.
The only good snake is a dead snake.


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Mar 11, 2020 18:57 |  #95

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19024953 (external link)
Here is an example from today of not being able to fill the frame, ...No way to get closer, boats aren't allowed. He had just flown over me and came to roost on the fallen tree. I wasn't going to pass up the shot even though due to handholding and the distance I couldn't get it tack sharp.

But the bottom line since it was taken for my enjoyment and I like it, isn't that all that matters? I wasn't going to post it because it isn't good enough for POTN but I will put it on my flickr page and share it with my friends. I think it actually held up ok in the severe crop.


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Mar 11, 2020 19:39 as a reply to  @ post 19024953 |  #96

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If you like it, and derive enjoyment from it, then yes, it is worth taking the shot.


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"Your" and "you're" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Mar 11, 2020 20:02 |  #97

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And since we're on the subject of snakes, how's this for filling the frame?


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I was able to fill the frame just how I wanted to, thanks to the much improved (closer) minimum focus distance of the Canon 100-400 v2. . I was able to take this image from just 3 feet away and it focused perfectly. . And zoomed to only 135mm gave me exactly the framing I wanted, from the distance I wanted.

With the original 100-400mm, I would have had to be about 5 feet away from the snake in order for it to focus, which in this case would have meant that the messy background would have been a lot worse looking.

If I was using the old lens, and had to be 5 feet back, even though I could have zoomed in more and still framed the snake the same way, the messy background would have looked much worse than it does here. . Getting even closer than you "have to" often yields better results than standing back further and relying on a longer focal length.

So it's not just about "filling the frame" with the subject. . Often, it is also about shooting from the perspective and the distance that will yield the most pleasing results, particularly in regard to how the background will be rendered. . Just filling the frame isn't really enough.

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Mar 11, 2020 20:45 as a reply to  @ Tom Reichner's post |  #98

nice, how the lines of the snake lead your eye around the photo, rather than merely locking into the head!


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Mar 11, 2020 22:45 |  #99

Well, if filling the frame is what you want... ;-)a
with a 2m wingspan a gannet's not to be trifled with...


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Mar 11, 2020 23:04 |  #100

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Sweet!

To me, the beauty of a Gannet is in the fine details of the head plumage, so this is one species that I definitely appreciate a frame-filling image of. . If you're not capturing those head details, then it seems to me like you would be failing to capture the main thing that makes a Gannet beautiful.

Interesting how its right eye is in nice sharp focus, and its left eye is completely out of focus (no clearly resolved iris detail). . You know your DOF is razor thin when that happens in a more-or-less head-on image!


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The 100-400 had the 1.4xMkIII extender attached. Another razor thin DoF!

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Mar 11, 2020 23:16 |  #102

Jeff:

Since you like them, this one is just for you! :-)


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Mar 11, 2020 23:38 |  #103

For this one I deliberately did not fill the frame, it makes a great desktop background! :lol:


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Of course, when one fills the frame and composes the image so ideally, it then begs the question, "Was this really a wild Eagle, or was it in some zoo or captive situation?"

That's one problem with filling the frame a little too perfectly - people begin to suspect that it isn't a wild, free subject.


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Of course, when one fills the frame and composes the image so ideally, it then begs the question, "Was this really a wild Eagle, or was it in some zoo or captive situation?"

That's one problem with filling the frame a little too perfectly - people begin to suspect that it isn't a wild, free subject.

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Hi Tom and a good question. Although, do I detect some cynicism in the phrase "a little too perfectly"..?

I have never actually seen a captive eagle I must admit, but if I had shot one under controlled conditions I would have said so.

My realtor and good friend had a beautiful B&B in Cole Bay, on the Saanich Peninsula on Vancouver Island see:
http://dragonfly-beach-house-bb.britishcolumbiahote​ls.net/en/#photo (external link)

From the site's own photos you can see they had wild eagles that called the place their home. The image I posted of the eagle with the dark background was one of a bird that habitually liked to sit on a rail to one side of the house - over time it had become used to us and, while wild, it was not threatened by our presence if we stayed quiet. The dark is the shade of the trees surrounding the house, and an outhouse. Note that the equivalent FoV is around 300mm.

This is the view from their deck: as you can see from the lack of lights it is not in an urban area.


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My realtor's husband was also a keen photographer and so I spent many evenings and weekends with them at their place shooting. With the trees so close, it wasn't all that hard to get a few decent shots over a period. He had made structures for them to nest in spots where it was not too challenging to get a shot, but the birds are still wild.

This is one, obviously NOT constrained, of a juvenile who had just been told to sort himself out by his parents - it's not one of my best shots but I hope it makes the point - if you compare the shot below with the image of an eagle on the site you will see it is the same tree. He was very grumpy and called mournfully for some time...


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At one time I could count 17 eagles within view... amazing.

Finally, I used to do this for a living, and after about 40 years I hope I can claimsome skills in the area of wildlife photography!

I hope that resolves your issues Tom. But to assure you on the gannet I have provided details of that colony in the next post.

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