
China's data can't be trusted. They have other agendas.
Which data? The data from their scientists have been fine in the journals.
Capn Jack Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 17:14 | #2431 gjl711 wrote in post #19051292 ![]() China's data can't be trusted. They have other agendas. Which data? The data from their scientists have been fine in the journals.
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Capn Jack Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 17:19 | #2432 The virus replicates poorly in dogs, pigs, chickens, and ducks. Your cat might get it and share it with another cat.
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Apricane Shooting the breeze ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 17:31 | #2433 Capn Jack wrote in post #19051321 ![]() Which data? The data from their scientists have been fine in the journals. And how have you been able to confirm this? Can you share the way in which you independently verified this? Apricane IG Portraits
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Wilt. (4 edits in all) | Apr 22, 2020 17:39 | #2434 Tom Reichner wrote in post #19050917 ![]() . Oh my goodness - that is horrible! . It doesn't make any sense, either. . You can travel to go to the grocery store, or the WalMart, or the take-out restaurant .... but you can't travel to go out for a hike by yourself in the middle of nowhere? . There doesn't seem to be a perfectly logical consistency in what is allowed and what is not allowed. Here in Washington, we also have a so-called "Stay at Home" order. . But that is a misnomer. . If one looks into the specifics of the order, they will see that it doesn't really mean to stay at home ..... it means not to go where other people are (except for the businesses which are open because they are deemed "essential", such as the WalMart and so forth). We are encouraged to get out in nature - especially so because of the virus. . In fact, a day or two after my governor issued the order, the government opened a system of hiking trails up a week ahead of their scheduled opening, to encourage people to get out into nature and enjoy that form of isolation. When I wanted to travel far away to photograph Grouse, I called the federal officials in South Dakota and asked them if it was okay to travel there from WA, and if their public lands were open. . They said, "Yes, of course. We think the best thing for people is to get out into nature away from other people. PLEASE, come!" .
Similar chaos in narrow aisles in grocery stores forced the stores to put one-way arrows on aisle in an effort to control the flow of foot traffic...that failed, too, so they had to have an employee counting heads leaving and entering the store, to keep headcount inside below a level that permitted social distancing. You can see, with the spacing of folks waiting in a queue to get inside that so very many folks just do not seem to 'get it' as to what 6' llooks like! Just last weekend, Sheriff deputies had to tell over 200 groups "GO HOME" because they lived more than 5 miles from the beach they were on. They will soon start to issue citations, not just give warnings. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Wilt. | Apr 22, 2020 18:00 | #2435 gjl711 wrote in post #19051175 ![]() I can see the protestors point. There are lots of people that are in low risk groups with a household of others that are low risk, and are willing to take a chance. They are being forced into hardship against their will just so those in high risk categories can feel safer. I think enough is known now that anyone 60 or less and in reasonably good health might get sick and feel bad, or might not even know they got sick, but their chances of something catastrophic happening is about the same as the regular flu. And that illustrates the 'ME' kind of thinking which is oblivious to the fact they can get infected and carry it back to their parents and grandparents and others in the vulnerable group who stand a higher chance of DYING from the exposure to symptomless young carriers who are naively goinging about their life without regard to anyone else! You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Wilt. (3 edits in all) | Apr 22, 2020 18:06 | #2436 Apricane wrote in post #19051208 ![]() Also, how do you know just how vulnerable you are to COVID-19 anyway? The fact of the matter is, even if there are general guidelines for who is most vulnerable and who might not be, you just cannot know how the disease will affect you or anyone else. ^ You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Archibald You must be quackers! ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 18:21 | #2437 gjl711 wrote in post #19051292 ![]() China's data can't be trusted. They have other agendas. NOBODY'S data can be trusted. Canon R5, Canon 90D, assorted Canon lenses, Sony RX10 IV
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Wilt. (11 edits in all) | Apr 22, 2020 18:26 | #2438 I fully sympathize with those living in rural settings who think, "This lockdown I can understand for NYC or LA, but it makes no sense here in the desert of New Mexico or Arizona." In the deserts of AZ or NM they open things up, they do without the need for masks, and no longer bother with social distancing. And therein lies the danger inherent to opening up things too soon. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Capn Jack Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 18:28 | #2439 Apricane wrote in post #19051325 ![]() And how have you been able to confirm this? Can you share the way in which you independently verified this? Oh wow. Look back through this thread. I've posted enough stuff. I'll help you out a little. I know you've seen my responses. Do you really think their government messes with peer-reviewed journals?
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Apricane Shooting the breeze ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 18:33 | #2440 Capn Jack wrote in post #19051348 ![]() Oh wow. Look back through this thread. I've posted enough stuff. I'll help you out a little. I know you've seen my responses. Do you really think their government messes with peer-reviewed journals? Lets's see....they reported chloroquine and remdesivir had in vitro activity long before anyone else did ( 4 Feb). Chloroquine and related compounds aren't doing well in the clinical trials now, but remdesivir might be faring better. https://www.nature.com …I67SkcgREM4DyxxAcPauRuf5w ![]() They also found out early on that chloroquine/ hydroxychloroquine didn't work so well: https://www.fiercepharma.com …-drug-disappoint-clinical ![]() https://www.fiercepharma.com …just-trial-design-s-fault ![]() I'm sorry but do you know what the process for peer-reviewed publications is, what is actually verified? And yes, I don't trust anything coming from China at this point, including peer-reviewed papers. Apricane IG Portraits
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Wilt. | Apr 22, 2020 18:36 | #2441 Archibald wrote in post #19051342 ![]() NOBODY'S data can be trusted. ...because in spite of good intentions, we have incomplete data all over the place. Just today, a county in CA finds that it had THREE deaths that, post mortem were proven to be resultant from COVID-19, and these took place in February before there was much risk being acknowledged...and BEFORE the first officially recognized death, in WA state. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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Capn Jack Cream of the Crop ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 18:54 | #2442 Apricane wrote in post #19051353 ![]() I'm sorry but do you know what the process for peer-reviewed publications is, what is actually verified? And yes, I don't trust anything coming from China at this point, including peer-reviewed papers. Yes, I do. I have written several of them. I had two published last year. I'm writing one now, and I have data for another one that I'll write up soon. If people lie in the sciences, it is found out very quickly. Their research on SARS-CoVD-19 has been duplicated in many places, including Europe.
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Tronhard Senior Member ![]() More info Post edited over 1 year ago by Tronhard. (2 edits in all) | Apr 22, 2020 19:23 | #2443 gjl711 wrote in post #19051292 ![]() China's data can't be trusted. They have other agendas. China has drawbacks and benefits going for it. "All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
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Apricane Shooting the breeze ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 19:23 | #2444 Capn Jack wrote in post #19051361 ![]() Yes, I do. I have written several of them. I had two published last year. I'm writing one now, and I have data for another one that I'll write up soon. If people lie in the sciences, it is found out very quickly. Their research on SARS-CoVD-19 has been duplicated in many places, including Europe. I'm sorry you have such a prejudice about the Chinese. Well, you would know then that peer-reviewed papers are peer-reviewed and published to verify whether or not your argument is well constructed (i.e. structure) and that what you say in it is reproducible (i.e. true in itself, that you have reasonable sources in them for it). As for death counts which would always be the matter of government statistics just about anywhere (if you want to have an accurate picture), there is no way that an editorial board of any publication, even of Nature, can actually corroborate independently whether the sources are true i.e. accurate or not, only that the sources actually tell what the authors say it does (if they even do that, which is not always). Ultimately, in the social sciences (to which statistics and public administration belong, at least as opposed to applied science) as well as in any kind of applied science, a peer-reviewed publication only means that what the authors say is worthy of consideration because it's supported (unlike your comment about me and my attitudes towards the "Chinese") by arguments, sources and data, not that it's actually true or accurate in any objective capacity (the argument itself or even the data). Apricane IG Portraits
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Apricane Shooting the breeze ![]() More info | Apr 22, 2020 19:27 | #2445 Wilt wrote in post #19051356 ![]() ...because in spite of good intentions, we have incomplete data all over the place. Just today, a county in CA finds that it had THREE deaths that, post mortem were proven to be resultant from COVID-19, and these took place in February before there was much risk being acknowledged. Yes, but depending on circumstances, the data might be either incomplete (i.e. mostly due to human error) or just completely misleading (i.e. due to intentional policy), with some in between due to insufficient resources to get a "full" picture. Those are very different scenarios. I trust that most countries are in one of the first two categories, but not everyone of them necessarily is. Apricane IG Portraits
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