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Aug 11, 2020 03:50 |  #646

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I am totally willing to buy a manufacturer refurb. Each manufacturer refurb has been individually inspected for proper operation. That doesn't happen with packages out of the factory.

Me too - I have a 24-70mm (MK I) that I bought as a refurb, and it has always been exceptional. Wouldn't hesitate to buy another...


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Aug 11, 2020 08:08 |  #647

red overheat light shooting stills at the 24.00 minute mark

shooting bursts out side on a warm day. His battery died before the camera shut down. He is concerned and is going to test more....but still says its a great stils camera

He said wedding outside all day might be a problem- Thats a concern for sure. Enough for me to be wait and see at this point

But a very good video. Impressed with the low light capabilities


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Aug 11, 2020 08:18 |  #648

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red overheat light shooting stills at the 24.00 minute mark

shooting bursts out side on a warm day. His battery died before the camera shut down. He is concerned and is going to test more....but still says its a great stils camera

He said wedding outside all day might be a problem- Thats a concern for sure. Enough for me to be wait and see at this point

But a very good video. Impressed with the low light capabilities

He is one of the rare ones that I have see. People are out shooting much longer. I noticed the battery was dead when that happened. Not sure if that is related.


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Aug 11, 2020 08:21 |  #649

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I managed to order a few more from Best Buy but had to do it one at a time because of limitations. I wanted four but only got three from Best Buy, I'll probably need to go into the store for the fourth one.

Today's wedding drained both of the "old" LP-E6N batteries in the grip and I had to replace them right toward the end. The new LP-E6NH batteries in the other body were just below half at the end of the night.

I felt the cameras getting warm after only about 1½ hours. I would turn them off when not in use to preserve batteries and try to avoid the temperature warning. Made it through the whole wedding without a single temp warning!


so that kind of tells me that If you keep it turned off until your ready to shoot that your going to be OK with Overheating at weddings. Thats good news...just need to be smarter than the problem...thanks for reporting

I was concerned after watching the R5 having a red warn light shooting that outdoor soccer match after an hour...This could still present a problem for warm summer outdoor weddings

mind you- ITS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE ON A DSLR....and I have shot outdoor weddings in 95+ temps for mid day ceremonies in F/16-18 light....bloody hot...my guess is the R5 based on what I am now seeing will not be able to handle extreme heat for longer periods of time when in use


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Aug 11, 2020 08:36 |  #650

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so that kind of tells me that If you keep it turned off until your ready to shoot that your going to be OK with Overheating at weddings. Thats good news...just need to be smarter than the problem...thanks for reporting

I was concerned after watching the R5 having a red warn light shooting that outdoor soccer match after an hour...This could still present a problem for warm summer outdoor weddings

mind you- ITS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE ON A DSLR....and I have shot outdoor weddings in 95+ temps for mid day ceremonies in F/16-18 light....bloody hot...my guess is the R5 based on what I am now seeing will not be able to handle extreme heat for longer periods of time when in use

We are talking about 45mp being pushed at 16ms. I'm not an engineer but others have have told me that inadequate voltage/amps is not good. One example are power tools like a skill saw. It needs that high amperage when it starts otherwise it does damage it over time. I learned that from my cottage when we didn't have hydro and I used generators. When I didn't feel like starting the big generator for one cut I used the small one and you could hear the slow start up. Almost like it was growing as it was trying to wind up. A fellow from Manitoba Hydro told me that.

Did I care that my skill saw would fail 6 months before it's time. Not really but my camera gear - now that is a different story. It is like using improper batteries for your flash.


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Aug 11, 2020 08:46 |  #651

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so that kind of tells me that If you keep it turned off until your ready to shoot that your going to be OK with Overheating at weddings. Thats good news...just need to be smarter than the problem...thanks for reporting

I was concerned after watching the R5 having a red warn light shooting that outdoor soccer match after an hour...This could still present a problem for warm summer outdoor weddings

mind you- ITS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE ON A DSLR....and I have shot outdoor weddings in 95+ temps for mid day ceremonies in F/16-18 light....bloody hot...my guess is the R5 based on what I am now seeing will not be able to handle extreme heat for longer periods of time when in use

I will just put white gaffers tape on my cameras, that should keep the sun heatsoak to a minimum! :)


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Aug 11, 2020 08:47 |  #652

Motors are certainly a bit finicky, a bit more than electronics. Electronics are designed to level voltage and current needs depending on source and load.


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Aug 11, 2020 08:49 |  #653

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We are talking about 45mp being pushed at 16ms. I'm not an engineer but others have have told me that inadequate voltage/amps is not good. One example are power tools like a skill saw. It needs that high amperage when it starts otherwise it does damage it over time. I learned that from my cottage when we didn't have hydro and I used generators. When I didn't feel like starting the big generator for one cut I used the small one and you could hear the slow start up. Almost like it was growing as it was trying to wind up. A fellow from Manitoba Hydro told me that.

Did I care that my skill saw would fail 6 months before it's time. Not really but my camera gear - now that is a different story. It is like using improper batteries for your flash.


Yup

good luck selling these things after 2-3 years. Heat and electronics is never a good situation

still concerned but really what choices to we have ??

Buy and put up with it

Dont buy and use the DSLR's and wait for a fix or new release

sell it all and buy an A9

no options are good

Probably going to get the R6 so I can get my foot in the door and just see what happens. Its the least expensive option other than keep shooting the DSLR's until an update or fix

Covid has caused a major pause. Wedding industry is completely shut down in many areas and not looking good for 2021. This gives wedding photographers like myself a long pause period to consider what to do....no income coming in so no need to invest in a body that cant be used right now


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Aug 11, 2020 09:09 |  #654

If there aren't events, and your existing gear is getting what you need for what business you have, then I would just sit on the capital and wait.

There may be firmware updates, there may be recalls, etc. Why get into these now at this point only to have to go through this? I would wait for around the holidays to see where things are and where prices are. Things could look different in 3-5 months.

The 1DX and 5D series are just as good today as they were yesterday. :) I usually sit back and watch all the early adopters to see what they find out or go through before my toe goes into that water.


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Aug 11, 2020 09:44 |  #655

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so that kind of tells me that If you keep it turned off until your ready to shoot that your going to be OK with Overheating at weddings. Thats good news...just need to be smarter than the problem...thanks for reporting

I was concerned after watching the R5 having a red warn light shooting that outdoor soccer match after an hour...This could still present a problem for warm summer outdoor weddings

mind you- ITS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE ON A DSLR....and I have shot outdoor weddings in 95+ temps for mid day ceremonies in F/16-18 light....bloody hot...my guess is the R5 based on what I am now seeing will not be able to handle extreme heat for longer periods of time when in use

The problem with that is the bootup lag though. You can't see the EVF unless the camera is on. Even a second or two is enough to miss a key moment if your body is in the off position before you pick it up to catch something....especiall​y since we are typically using two bodies. This is why I never switch my cameras off during a wedding.


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Aug 11, 2020 09:46 |  #656

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The problem with the R5 is the internet. People keep mixing information and wrongly making claims, like that RED warning light, it's a video warning, that's why it's a video icon (would you rather not know your video time has expired while you were shooting stills in 100deg heat?), also it shows 0000 mins video available, so you tell people who post such tosh they are wrong and you can shoot stills all day, then they just say no, I don't believe you, ok then don't, that's fine but you're wrong, it's like they want a reason not to buy it, fine, don't buy it, but get your facts right before you convince others of your incorrect information, that way the internet can be great again, full of accurate information rather than fake news etc. I agree the video limitations are frustrating but they are what they are, it's like this heat debate, heat maybe bad for electronic devices BUT as long as they function within the designe spec what's the issue, I've had devices like DVRs etc that run way outside spec, they have done so for years, I don't know of any camera that can be left in the sun for example, get so hot you cant even handle it and possibly be ok, next body I sell shall I list it as never been hot? Anyhow, I'm looking forward to mine, so anyone on any doubts just cancel those orders and do those who are waiting a favor, my 1DX3 is lonely and needs a new pal haha. Have a nice day :)

You are part of the internet collective, so there is that... :D

Canon is largely to blame for much of this, as they provided much of the info around stills and overheating, and made it sound like only video was compromised. As we know now with the manual, there are at least 3 different temperature icons, one for video and 2 for stills (any maybe more general than that).

It's up to Canon to fix the issue with video, as they are the ones to market how great it is but then swept the issue that as soon as you use the camera in any regard, not just video, that your video time is now compromised, and will take a very long time to recover. If a company markets something with its strengths, they then have to deal with the public and also consumer protection laws, etc.

When there aren't facts, we rely on educated guesses, if we aren't educated, we make stuff up, and the cycle continues, until the facts come out from real life testing and the manufacturer. That is how everything has worked since the beginning of time. You are just seeing a progression of a rumor turning into fact, nothing more. Bloggers that got their hands on early pre-release bodies started the "overheating" embryo, and now we are watching it turn into a bonafide toddler.


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Aug 11, 2020 10:01 |  #657

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You are part of the internet collective, so there is that... :D

Canon is largely to blame for much of this, as they provided much of the info around stills and overheating, and made it sound like only video was compromised. As we know now with the manual, there are at least 3 different temperature icons, one for video and 2 for stills (any maybe more general than that).

It's up to Canon to fix the issue with video, as they are the ones to market how great it is but then swept the issue that as soon as you use the camera in any regard, not just video, that your video time is now compromised, and will take a very long time to recover. If a company markets something with its strengths, they then have to deal with the public and also consumer protection laws, etc.

When there aren't facts, we rely on educated guesses, if we aren't educated, we make stuff up, and the cycle continues, until the facts come out from real life testing and the manufacturer. That is how everything has worked since the beginning of time. You are just seeing a progression of a rumor turning into fact, nothing more. Bloggers that got their hands on early pre-release bodies started the "overheating" embryo, and now we are watching it turn into a bonafide toddler.

Where are these two for stills?


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Aug 11, 2020 10:10 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #658

It's been posted a few times but I can snip the manual here in a minute

EDIT: here you go.. I suggest you download the manual to read through it, it exposes quite a few things.

Note the 4th bullet in the section describing the indicators, that is what has us worried for still photography, especially paid gigs. We still have only heard of just a couple or few cases where still photography was completely shut down, so that is good I think. Still seems like a risk I would rather not have. The 5th bullet is the next area of concern with outdoor events, like weddings, airshows, race tracks, track and field events, etc. where you would burst quite a bit and be in the hot sun.

I would love to see a test from someone where they put white or reflective gaffers tape on all the open areas of the camera to see if that helps any. Problem there is that you still have to leave all the controls open, so only the EVF hump front side of the camera and rear LCD cover could really be covered, so it would be of marginal help. Maybe Canon could just come out with a white R5 like they did with the M and rebel series? ;)

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Aug 11, 2020 10:56 |  #659

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It's been posted a few times but I can snip the manual here in a minute

EDIT: here you go.. I suggest you download the manual to read through it, it exposes quite a few things.

Note the 4th bullet in the section describing the indicators, that is what has us worried for still photography, especially paid gigs. We still have only heard of just a couple or few cases where still photography was completely shut down, so that is good I think. Still seems like a risk I would rather not have. The 5th bullet is the next area of concern with outdoor events, like weddings, airshows, race tracks, track and field events, etc. where you would burst quite a bit and be in the hot sun.

I would love to see a test from someone where they put white or reflective gaffers tape on all the open areas of the camera to see if that helps any. Problem there is that you still have to leave all the controls open, so only the EVF hump front side of the camera and rear LCD cover could really be covered, so it would be of marginal help. Maybe Canon could just come out with a white R5 like they did with the M and rebel series? ;)
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Looks a lot like page 331 of the 5D MkIV manual.

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Same issue when using live view on the 5D MkIV.

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It's been posted a few times but I can snip the manual here in a minute

EDIT: here you go.. I suggest you download the manual to read through it, it exposes quite a few things.

Note the 4th bullet in the section describing the indicators, that is what has us worried for still photography, especially paid gigs. We still have only heard of just a couple or few cases where still photography was completely shut down, so that is good I think. Still seems like a risk I would rather not have. The 5th bullet is the next area of concern with outdoor events, like weddings, airshows, race tracks, track and field events, etc. where you would burst quite a bit and be in the hot sun.

I would love to see a test from someone where they put white or reflective gaffers tape on all the open areas of the camera to see if that helps any. Problem there is that you still have to leave all the controls open, so only the EVF hump front side of the camera and rear LCD cover could really be covered, so it would be of marginal help. Maybe Canon could just come out with a white R5 like they did with the M and rebel series? ;)
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