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Dec 28, 2020 07:17 |  #1141

"Now I'm not sure I want to get rid of it. Especially because of the MFD difference compared to the 800 F11."

I have both the 150-600 C and 800 f11. I bought the latter for (1) weight considerations and (2) the ability to see more of my subject in the view finder. I, too, was concerned about MFD, as well as the f11 requiring light. In practice, neither of those concerns have proved very limiting.

I trust the 800 enough to use it to capture mega vagrants to the East Coast. For transparency sake, I did have a Pacific-slope Flycatcher land about 6' away from me, which momentarily had me panicking and backtracking for distance. But the little cutie bounced to about 20' and the opportunity was saved. Generally speaking, getting within 18' of little ones is tough.

The f11 light factor has not been much of a problem, at least in my opinion. The R6 handles noise extremely well; couple that with Topaz DeNoise and you're in good shape. Shown is a Screech Owl. It was shot handheld in deep woods (thankfully no leaves) looking up approximately 100' into a hole that looked black from the ground. You can't see feather detail, but I came away satisfied given the conditions.

Something to bear in mind is that the 800 is not going to be a lens of choice for BIFs. It just doesn't work well for that. The 150-600 gives much better results for BIFs. So, if budget considerstions allow, having both is worthwhile.

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Dec 28, 2020 08:16 |  #1142

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The above quotes are from the 800 F11 thread. And since I am still debating selling my Sigma 150-600 C, I decided to take it out today. It did better than I expected. But I'm not surprised. The hit rate was more than with either of my DSLRs. Now I'm not sure I want to get rid of it. Especially because of the MFD difference compared to the 800 F11. Here are a couple of examples.
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I've been struggling with the "should it stay or should it go" dilemma too concerning the Sigma 150-600. I have the 150-600 C and the 100-400 V II. Following my "newer equipment equals instantly better photos" GAS justification, I'd considered maybe selling the 150-600 and the 100-400 to buy the RF 100-500. I love the 100-400 and was fretting over losing my backward compatibly with my 1DX, 5DIV and other DSLRs. The 600 and 800 F11's are interesting lenses, and would certainly be a pleasure to travel with (if we're ever able to travel freely again), but my concern is early morning, late evening and cloudy day shooting. Looking at these images and reading these comments maybe I should sit tight and try to upgrade my 500 F4 V1 to a VII or a 600 VII.


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Dec 28, 2020 08:38 |  #1143

Lt Colonel wrote in post #19172818 (external link)
I've been struggling with the "should it stay or should it go" dilemma too concerning the Sigma 150-600. I have the 150-600 C and the 100-400 V II. Following my "newer equipment equals instantly better photos" GAS justification, I'd considered maybe selling the 150-600 and the 100-400 to buy the RF 100-500. I love the 100-400 and was fretting over losing my backward compatibly with my 1DX, 5DIV and other DSLRs. The 600 and 800 F11's are interesting lenses, and would certainly be a pleasure to travel with (if we're ever able to travel freely again), but my concern is early morning, late evening and cloudy day shooting. Looking at these images and reading these comments maybe I should sit tight and try to upgrade my 500 F4 V1 to a VII or a 600 VII.



Thats what I did. I grabbed a 2008 500F/4 v1 that was a 9 conditions lens. Very very sharp. Now im anxious to get it on a R/6 to see what I will do and compare direct to my 1Dx2.....the 800 F/11 has my attention and so does an older 400mm F/5.6 prime

Likely will be the 800 because for the $300-400 price difference I can double the reach at 800mm


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Dec 28, 2020 08:44 |  #1144

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Thank you both. Of course the BIG advantage of the 800 F11 is the size and weight. The Sigma can be a bit much (handheld) after a while. I do not carry my monopod (I should) and do not do as much BIF as I'd like. Something I'm sure the 800 F11 can be easier with.

BTW, forgot to mention, I did switch the AF-ON to the * button and EYE-AF to the AF-ON button. Much, much better this way!


I think the big advantage of the sigma over the 800 F/11 is

150mm-500mm

If its close you can frame it at 2-300MM

I see situations where an 800mm will be too much reach. Example here. Framed shot on a 500F/4.....on an 800mm this is a headshot or a missed opportunity...for the bear its a missed shot with the 800MM


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Dec 28, 2020 09:14 |  #1145

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Thats what I did. I grabbed a 2008 500F/4 v1 that was a 9 conditions lens. Very very sharp. Now im anxious to get it on a R/6 to see what I will do and compare direct to my 1Dx2.....the 800 F/11 has my attention and so does an older 400mm F/5.6 prime

Likely will be the 800 because for the $300-400 price difference I can double the reach at 800mm

I find that 500 V1 is a tad sluggish on my R6 compared to my 1DX. I attribute it to the loss in battery power to run the AF in the older lens. I did buy the battery grip, but it only makes sense that gives me increased capacitary not output. I've taken it on one outing to shoot swans and shot nearly 3k photos playing with the AF and EVF and had plenty of battery life left (using the newest batteries).

I'm like you, for the price difference I'd go with the 800. I'd like to shoot with one before I bought it.


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Dec 28, 2020 10:27 |  #1146

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I find that 500 V1 is a tad sluggish on my R6 compared to my 1DX. I attribute it to the loss in battery power to run the AF in the older lens. I did buy the battery grip, but it only makes sense that gives me increased capacitary not output. I've taken it on one outing to shoot swans and shot nearly 3k photos playing with the AF and EVF and had plenty of battery life left (using the newest batteries).

I'm like you, for the price difference I'd go with the 800. I'd like to shoot with one before I bought it.

Thats for the info on the 1Dx. Agreed, for wildlife...Reach is everything


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Dec 28, 2020 16:49 |  #1147

R6 + 100-400II + 1.4X III


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This eagle was part of a purposeful outing taking along just the Sigma. At the time, I had the Canon 1.4X attached. With the extender I found that if it did not pick up the target right away, there was going to be challenges. I had an entire series of an eagle flying by where the background is in focus, but not the eagle. When it acquires, it tended to stay locked on, but the AF with the extender does not like to cooperate if the focus is not close to start with. Being able to get to 840mm with that combo is nice, but there are sacrifices and some pre planning involved. I've found performance a lot better (obviously) without the extender, but then here I am back to using the 100-400 + the 1.4X instead.


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Dec 28, 2020 22:40 |  #1148

Game Changing:

Well, I took my R6's out shooting for the first time today to the zoo, using mostly the RF 100-500. I must say the combination of IBIS, and the animal eye focusing system made a big difference to getting shots of some of the more elusive creatures that I have never quite been able to nail before. Both of these were taken by the R6, using the RF 100-500, but sadly they are not available on the Manufacturers' Gear List yet.

The Red Panda has always been up in the branches surrounded by leaves and very hard to get a lock on. This time the camera nailed it first time, and every time...


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Then there was a native Kakariki parrot. I was sitting behind several trees about 10m away and so seeing it was like trying to view it through a keyhole, but the auto-focus nailed it.


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Dec 29, 2020 08:47 |  #1149

It was rather quiet in the streets today again (we're still in a strict lockdown), so I went out for a bit. I decided to take the 800/11 with me to try it out in less than ideal light. It did not disappoint.

One of my favourite little songbirds: a blue tit


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And a red-crested pochard. There's always a group of them here in winter, down in the canal that runs beneath my window. As they are in the canal, I can't shoot them at eye level, but I was rather amazed at the unexpected clarity in the shots I took as they were in a rather dark place.
The bird is not entirely sharp in the head by the way. He was drinking and moving a lot, too much for 1/200s. But that's where 800mm comes in handy: I didn't have to crop, so I can get away with it...


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One more from today: a great tit.
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If you have the latest version of Photoshop you can use the new Sky Replacement feature. Works best with a clear background like your latest photo.

I'm a dinosaur. I have the last stand-alone version of Photoshop. Also I don't like altering my images like that. I don't know, doesn't seem quite right, you know? Most I do is delete a branch that has no business being there, usually somewhere in a corner. :-P

On another note, have you tried any of your EF lenses on the R6?

Sure. My 300/4L is brilliant on the R6. I'm not used to using extenders, but from the few tests I did, the lens does really well with the 1.4xTC and even with the 2xTC. Although at 600mm AF slows down and may hunt a bit in lower light.

My 400/5.6L doesn't do so well. The bare lens is fine, but it does shockingly bad with extenders, both 1.4x and 2x. I do only have versions II though, so that may have something to do with it? Not sure. But even with the 1.4xTC I get soft, blurry results. Basically muddy mush. Now it was another dark day in the kingdom, damp and dark. But when I tried the RF 800/11 for comparison, it performed fine. it gave me sharp images, where the 400/5.6L at 560mm and at 800mm gave me total rubbish. And that was with the 400/5.6L+2xTC on a tripod and the RF 800/11 handheld (for a quick comparison)!

It's on my list to test this again in better light. I never used the 2xTC with the 400/5.6L on any of my 1D bodies as IQ takes too much of a hit but with the 1.4xTC results were acceptable. Now, out of a hundred shots, I had zero keepers. Not that I would keep any shots anyway, as they were just test shots of gulls sitting on a roof.

What I noticed is how different the EVF behaves with the two different lenses. With the 400/5.6L+2xTC the EVF is very unsteady and jumps all over the place. The RF 800/11 in comparison is rock steady in the EVF, very still, a difference of night and day. That has got to have an effect on the results. Maybe I need to turn off IBIS when using the 400 with extenders and on a tripod? But honestly, I have no idea why results were so bad.


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Dec 29, 2020 10:21 |  #1153

"I do only have versions II though, so that may have something to do with it?"

Levina, I think it might. I bought and tried the Canon 1.4 and the 1.4 ii when they came out. In each case, I sold them off shortly after purchase because I was losing too much IQ. I also tried non-Canon exts with the same result, i.e., I sold them. Not one to give up, I tried the 1.4 iii and it is terrific. I used it with the 100-400 ii + 7Dii and IQ looked great. I've used it on the R6 and everything works smoothly and sharply.




  
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"I do only have versions II though, so that may have something to do with it?"

Levina, I think it might. I bought and tried the Canon 1.4 and the 1.4 ii when they came out. In each case, I sold them off shortly after purchase because I was losing too much IQ. I also tried non-Canon exts with the same result, i.e., I sold them. Not one to give up, I tried the 1.4 iii and it is terrific. I used it with the 100-400 ii + 7Dii and IQ looked great. I've used it on the R6 and everything works smoothly and sharply.

Okay, well then maybe I should get me a version III. Still, odd that the extenders do fine with the 300/4L and so bad with the 400mm. The 1.4xTC also did fine with the 400/5.6L on my 1D bodies. So not sure why it would do so bad on the R6. But yes, version III is worth a try. Thanks very much, Steve.


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