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Jan 07, 2021 14:51 |  #1276

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Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

Was not a consideration for me as I very rarely used it on my 5D/7D.


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Jan 07, 2021 15:21 |  #1277

strobe monkey wrote in post #19178205 (external link)
Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

I owned the 6D/6DII and almost never used the top screen so it’s not something I miss.


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Jan 07, 2021 15:27 |  #1278

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I thought I'd miss that top screen and before I bought the R6 it was a preference. Using the camera now, I never think of that screen nor miss it. It's easy enough to get information on back screen.

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Jan 07, 2021 16:57 |  #1279

strobe monkey wrote in post #19178205 (external link)
Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

I had that top display on the R, and never used it, so I knew going into the R6 purchase, it wasn't a concern. You can hit the Q button (external link) to get way more info than you get on the top display, and you can even change things if you would like, that Q button has been around for a very long time, the rebels that never had a top screen made use of the Q screen.


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Jan 07, 2021 17:01 |  #1280

One of the things holding me back still is the versatility afforded by that mode dial and top display to select video modes. For those of you using the R6 for video, do you miss not having anything but full auto and full manual? It seems so counter-productive and unnecessary to me, and frankly; I don't understand why they did it.




  
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Jan 07, 2021 17:10 |  #1281

strobe monkey wrote in post #19178205 (external link)
Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

Personally, I have 2 xR6 units and have no issue whatsoever with the lack of LCD on the top. When I am shooting I am looking through the viewfinder in any case, so I get all the information I need from there. Otherwise I just look at the rear LCD which is much bigger anyway. I don't shoot video, let alone 8K, and I don't need the extra MP rating, considering the difference in the cost. I invested that in glass and the battery grips.


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Jan 07, 2021 17:34 as a reply to  @ post 19178140 |  #1282

If I may make my own response to Jake's query about the relative merits of the M-series and the R6.

I have 3 x EOS M5's plus almost the whole range of EF-M lenses. I went that way when my injured knee could not hack the weight of walking any distance with a DSLR and lenses. I also have 2 x R6 units with the RF 24-105 f/4 and 100-500 lenses (+ battery grips). I avoided any of the M-series that did not have an integrated viewfinder, which left the M-5 and the M-50. As one who uses telephotos or just wants the stability I prefer a built-in viewfinder I tried the clip-on ones and rejected them as clumsy, bulky and fragile.

For me the M5, although earlier, was more of a still photographer's camera than the M50. First because of the extra control to manage EV compensation on the top of the M5 that was missing on the M50 and the M50 seemed to have been tweaked toward Vloggers, which it managed very successfully. To me, and looking at comparisons, the M5 was roughly equivalent to the EOS 80D with minor differences ending up about equal overall.

The R6 is a different beast. Eye Tracking and a super fast and efficient 20MP FF sensor, giving it an edge of about 1 stop EV over the R5, according to several technical reviews that I have seen - mostly because of the larger pixel size.

So, to me, the questions are: who would want one over the other and why?

1. Budget. The M-series is significantly cheaper, and so are the current lenses. Obviously the main body of RF glass is aimed at the higher end of the market as are the bodies. At one time I would have said any EOS 5D was going to be significantly better and more expensive than something with a 6D ID, but that has narrowed significantly as the main attributes IBIS, tracking and customization are all common to both the R5 and R6. So to me, the M and R ecosystems are aimed at two different markets, especially on price point.

I enclose some images taken on a hike at the Tongiriro National Park - formed around two active volcanoes in NZ's central North Island. All hand-held. For my purposes they did the job well, considering I was on a multi-day hike and wanted to keep the weight and bulk down.

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Early Morning on the day I began my multi-day hike

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Shooting into the sun to catch the mist rising from the valleys and around Mt Ngaruahoe volcanic cone

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A close-up of a fungus in dim conditions

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Just before dawn, the morning light silhouettes Mt Ngaruahoe with a crescent moon and Venus below.

2. Size: while the R-series bodies have reduced somewhat in size, the lenses are not that small, especially compared to the bodies and glass of the M-series. So again, different markets. The M series is great for travelers or hikers, or anyone who wants a very compact size MILC with not earth-shattering but acceptable lenses. I took 2 M5's hiking along with a lens on each and was very happy with the results. What is missing in the EF-M native lens line-up is something that approaches 300mm. Canon Rumors is suggesting that will be rectified this year, along with a potential M-7 that would be the equivalent of the EOS 90D but with IBIS, eye tracking, fully-articulated flip screen, and upgraded sensor and processor. If so that would likely keep a lot of M-series clients happy with their ecosystem and I would consider getting an M7 myself (and a EF-M 70-300 too). Time will tell. The M-50 is a great vloggers' camera, although the M50mkII was more hype than substance IMHO.

3. Compatibility: Both the M series and R series can access the vast legacy collection of EF and EF-S glass, but they do not have compatibility with each other, another thing that suggests there was no market overlap intended.

4. Input Output: Well a lot depends on the glass again. Both can work with the EF and EF-S lenses to make use of an enormous range of legacy gear. The improved sensor and processor of the R6 and its size mean that one can work in lower light and produce bigger prints than the older tech of the M-5. But if the mass of people are likely to work in more favourable conditions and willing to forego some performance for cost and size then the M-series would be great for tourists and travelers. The R6, while having lower MP count, has much uprated technology and could potentially provide better performance and larger prints, especially using the native RF lenses.

5. Ergonomics: The old question, 'what are you prepared to carry" becomes very apropos here... M5 bodies are small and so are the lenses, there are no battery grips, so it keeps things compact. The R6 is relatively small for a FF body, but the glass adds a lot of bulk and weight, and if you really want the performance you likely want a battery grip, so it bulks out a bit more.

In the end, I see the M-series as catering to those who favour serious compact size with reasonable performance at a lower price point, while the R6 is planting a stake in the ground for the new high-end Pro-sumer MILC market, where size and price are less of an issue, but performance and control are.

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Jan 08, 2021 00:39 as a reply to  @ Tronhard's post |  #1283

Thanks for the detailed answer Trevor, much appreciated!

I'm truly eyeing that M6II, but now understanding more about them, I am going to wait more and see what Canon does with both the M series and the rumored R7.

My "wish" would be an M6 III with the same removable EVF,. but with the current R5 AF system inside :)
This would be a perfect travel camera and it could serve as my 2nd body slung over the shoulder with a more compact zoom, when the R5 is sporting the big lens.


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Jan 08, 2021 22:09 |  #1284

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Thanks for the detailed answer Trevor, much appreciated!

I'm truly eyeing that M6II, but now understanding more about them, I am going to wait more and see what Canon does with both the M series and the rumored R7.

My "wish" would be an M6 III with the same removable EVF,. but with the current R5 AF system inside :)
This would be a perfect travel camera and it could serve as my 2nd body slung over the shoulder with a more compact zoom, when the R5 is sporting the big lens.

For myself, I think the features of the m6II would be very attractive if it had a built-in EVF. I just hate those add-on units: to me they are expensive, clunky, bulky and as such, considering they sit on the hotshoe, vulnerable to damage - not to mention they use up the hotshoe so one cannot add a more powerful and self-powered flash unit.


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Jan 09, 2021 04:36 |  #1285

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You didn't ask me, but I'm going to say this. If I could buy my M6 Mk II in an "R" body with an R battery today, I'd buy it in a heartbeat and I'm not even sure I'd care if they added anything.

Animal eye AF is kind of addicting, though, and hard to lose if you've come to depend on it.




  
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Jan 09, 2021 04:53 |  #1286

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The power of the M series is portability, plain and simple. Samyang makes some killer lenses for the M mount, like the 12.0 f2, 50 1.2, etc. Very small but extremely useful lenses, but then you can add in the Viltrox speedbooster that removes the crop factor (or close), and gives you a stop of light back. It makes the M50 almost like a baby FF body minus the better FF noise handling.

It should only give significantly more than FF noise at base ISO; at higher ISOs, you would be using a lower ISO on the APS-C with the speedbooster (just as if you were comparing FF with a TC vs APS-C without a TC). Comparing full images from different size sensors at the same ISO has no practical meaning when shutter speed or f-number prevents base ISO, or you are not using the entire frame of the larger sensor.




  
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Jan 09, 2021 07:52 |  #1287

strobe monkey wrote in post #19178205 (external link)
Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

I think the *idea* of a top plate is more useful than in practice.

Honestly I don’t see the point and don’t understand that hangup. Everything (and much more) a top plate gives you is available on the LCD and EVF.

I mean YEAH I always glanced at the top when I shot Nikon, but Ive been shooting Sony mirrorless for years - you just look at back vs top. No big deal.


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Jan 09, 2021 08:07 |  #1288

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Animal eye AF is kind of addicting, though, and hard to lose if you've come to depend on it.

I guess it would be for wildlife and bird folks, but I have never shot wildlife or birds and have no interest at all outside my own pets on rare occasion and I can live without it for that.

Based on the thread, I'm 100% convinced that if you don't shoot birds, you don't need an R5. That's the main reason I've decided to get an R6, maybe. Based on the thread over there, that's all it's good for. :lol:




  
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Jan 09, 2021 08:15 |  #1289

Eye AF was outstanding at my last wedding, and the only thing flying around there were the garter and bouquets!

Eye AF is wonderful for portraiture as well, no more spot AF and recompose, just get focus on the eyes, and compose in camera and take the shot.


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Jan 09, 2021 08:28 |  #1290

strobe monkey wrote in post #19178205 (external link)
Dear R6 owners, do you miss the LCD screen on the top right? Is there a similar screen on the back that shows you everything, or do you have to flip through pages ?

I've decided to get an R6. but the lack of the top LCD is what is making think.

I've been shooting with 1D bodies for many years and the top LCD was basically the only screen I ever looked at, so I too was a bit worried about the R6 not having one, but it only took a few outings to get used to looking at the rear LCD screen. And that screen has all the info one would need and then some.


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