Upgrading to Mirrorless

I currently have, as a general system, for walk-around and family photos a 6d Mkii with a Tamron 35 f/1.4, Canon 24-105 f/4 ii and Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 G2 as the main lenses.

I also have a 7d Mkii with a Canon 100-400 ii as the primary lens for my kids sports (baseball, basketball and soccer).

I really would like to bring down the weight of my general walk-around system and want to move to a mirrorless and replace my 6dii. While I love the Tamron 35, I'm not tied to it or the other two EF lenses I generally use with the 6dii and could/would purchase general purpose lenses with any new camera, if I had to.

I've looked at the EOS R and RP, since I already have FF, and I think either would be fine; however, as I'm not tied to the three EF lenses, I'm open to other systems, if they are better.

So, my needs do not involve sports shooting as I have the 7diifor that. I do not care about video with the camera, don't care if it's FF or crop, but do care that I have the ability to print a photo to 16x20 canvas.

Thoughts?? Stick with Canon or go with another brand? Any input would be very helpful and appreciated.

Print to 16" x 20" merely means your camera needs to have 4800 x 6000 pixels in a JPG to meet the 300 pixel/inch pixel density that a lot of labs consider to be the minimum pixel density in a print. JPG 'resizing' via a number of post processing programs can give you more pixels than in the original image.

If you shoot RAW and use a RAW convertor like Lightroom, you can start with any pixel count in the original image, and Lightroom can be told to Export a JPG print file for 16" x 20" with 300 ppi, even if the RAW pixel count is lower than that.

The R was a 1st generation quick to market effort by Canon...it has its shortcomings. The RP is a Rebel-class mirrorless...low price for novice or budget constrained.
The R5 and R6 are more similar to the 5D/6D, both FF with a lower pixel count in the more affordable R6.
Nothing yet is like your 7DII in the RF mount; the expensive R5 sensor can be cropped to yield a high pixel density smaller image similar to 7DII.

RF mount lenses are generally $500-1000 more expensive than their EF mount cousins. But there are a few RF mount lense that are aimed at the more price sensitive buyer.

Ef to rf adapters are also available so you can use your lenses on a canon mirrorless though that wont help if you’re looking to bring down size and weight but it will allow you to test the new system with your current lenses.
I tried the eos rp and it felt too small for me (coming from 6D).

Weight savings...

• A Canon R5 vs. Canon 5DIV is only 5 ounces saved; R5 vs. 6DII saves only 1 ounce.
  
• And no weight difference between RF 50mm f/1.8 vs EF same lens.
  
• If you compare 35mm f/1.8 RF vs. 35mm f/2 EF, the RF weights about 3.5 ounces more.
  

luckyheel317 wrote in post #19193530
I currently have, as a general system, for walk-around and family photos a 6d Mkii with a Tamron 35 f/1.4, Canon 24-105 f/4 ii and Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 G2 as the main lenses.

I also have a 7d Mkii with a Canon 100-400 ii as the primary lens for my kids sports (baseball, basketball and soccer).

I really would like to bring down the weight of my general walk-around system and want to move to a mirrorless and replace my 6dii. While I love the Tamron 35, I'm not tied to it or the other two EF lenses I generally use with the 6dii and could/would purchase general purpose lenses with any new camera, if I had to.

I've looked at the EOS R and RP, since I already have FF, and I think either would be fine; however, as I'm not tied to the three EF lenses, I'm open to other systems, if they are better.

So, my needs do not involve sports shooting as I have the 7diifor that. I do not care about video with the camera, don't care if it's FF or crop, but do care that I have the ability to print a photo to 16x20 canvas.

Thoughts?? Stick with Canon or go with another brand? Any input would be very helpful and appreciated.

Take a look at Sony & Fuji with their smaller pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless bodies. Specifically check out Fuji's X100 series.

Very best,

Wilt wrote in post #19193553

The R was a 1st generation quick to market effort by Canon...it has its shortcomings. The RP is a Rebel-class mirrorless...low price for novice or budget constrained.

Have to chime in here, in no way is the RP a rebel. It's full frame for a start and budget constrained? It is £1300 here, whereas rebels are sub £500 new.

Sounds to me like you have used neither, nothing wrong with the RP or the R, but the internet would have you believe otherwise, please don't help with that!

1480grams wrote in post #19193603
Have to chime in here, in no way is the RP a rebel. It's full frame for a start and budget constrained? It is £1300 here, whereas rebels are sub £500 new.

Sounds to me like you have used neither, nothing wrong with the RP or the R, but the internet would have you believe otherwise, please don't help with that!

I was afraid this would happen! Defending the R.

Canon USA says, " Our lightest and smallest full-frame EOS camera to date*, the EOS RP is packed with impressive features" and even the R is "Light and compact"...that sounds just like the Rebel, in that both are aimed at that audience seeking smaller size and weight. They might not be priced in the exact same league, both Rebel and R/RP are in the 'little brother' lowest price league of their respective class.

As time passes, more and more features move downward in the lineup, and better and better performance also move down. But in the relative stack up of the product line, there is a low-medium-high alignment. We have yet to see 'high' in the mirrorless from Canon. and the R lacks the in-body IS found in its newer brothers

The Nikon Z6 body is just a bit lighter than the Canon R, but paired with the Nikon 24-70 f/4 it's a very lightweight combo. I will never use my D700 with 24-70 f.2.8 ever again for vacation or walk-around.

The Nikon z glass is also very good (as is Canon's for the R).

Sony a7c if you want to go as compact and light as possible for FF. There is also the Sigma FP, but its a more video centric camera. There are some compromises made to keep things small, but more than usable for general walk-around use. The intelligence of the AF system makes up for a lot

Sigma has released a set of compact, yet high optical quality primes. i series. good stuff

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I have RP, difference in weight and easiness of getting people in focus is significant. Basically it is FF camera which works as camera in the iPhone .
Using my L zooms and 24 2.8 ef-s.
Current RF lenses don't impress me at all. If I'll get money, I'll get 50 1.8 RF.

If more money could be involved I would look at Sony. They have third party compact lenses, which not available in RF mount. The only issue could be within menus. Nothing beats EOS menus, IMO.

Wilt wrote in post #19193553
... The RP is a Rebel-class mirrorless...low price for novice or budget constrained..

I have 5D MKII and 500D, had 5D. Used 6D. I used 500D for everything. BIF, sports, reportage, low light, sub zero and 40+ C temperatures. It still works.
The whole Rebel-class calls are just marketing bias, IMO.

RP has same as 6D MKII sensor and next generation processor. And RP is weather sealed. I haven't used it for sports due to CIVID. It snaps in BIF just fine.
For family pictures and walkaround it is superior to 5D/6D because of different AF implementation and tiny size, weight.
R6 is still a hog in size and weight for walkaround, IMO.

kf095 wrote in post #19193951
I have RP, difference in weight and easiness of getting people in focus is significant. Basically it is FF camera which works as camera in the iPhone .
Using my L zooms and 24 2.8 ef-s.
Current RF lenses don't impress me at all. If I'll get money, I'll get 50 1.8 RF.

If more money could be involved I would look at Sony. They have third party compact lenses, which not available in RF mount. The only issue could be within menus. Nothing beats EOS menus, IMO.

Pretty sure Sigma will start making RF mount lenses at some point. Sigma mirrorless lenses are part of the "L" mount alliance, which include Sigma, Panasonic, and Leica cameras.

They're probably the only lens manufacturer that is focused on making high quality, compact, and affordable lenses. The trend seems to be making lenses ever more expensive and large....compact offerings are usually of the budget variety and that translates to the optical performance.

Sigma's 35/2 for Sony price tag might seems be affordable within L alliance. .
And this lens doesn't look compact, just not too big and far from been light with 325 g.
Also, analog aperture ring might work within L alliance, I have lenses like this for my Leicas from fifties, seventies and earlier of this century, but for modern mirrorless like Canon R series it just a fashion statement. IMO. I see, change aperture in EVF. No reason to make lens bigger for it.

I'm waiting for Samyang to add their 35 and 24 f2.8 in RF mount. Those are truly compact and not too expensive AF lenses on Sony. 35 and 24 f2.8 Samyang's total cost is next to
cost of single Sigma 35/2 and so is summary weight. Rings the bell for walk around. Sigma isn't. IMO.

Yes, our daughter has a Hyundai which has just as many goodies in it and similar performance and handling, all at a much lower price than our BMW.
Features and performance move downward, regardless of class.
A T6 (a Rebel) has higher pixel count than a 5DII, 6D or R6. The name has nothing to do with performance per se, but in the lack of some features, and having the most affordable price and lowest size and weight, and a focus not at a knowledgeable photography practitioner who does need the omitted bells and whistles found in the higher priced stuff in the current product line. The R has no IS in body, although it has pixel count and noise characteristics similar to the 5DIV...it was a 1st generation to market effort by Canon, just as a 1D was a first generation effort dSLR....the 1D is outperformed in many ways by the current Rebel.

kf095 wrote in post #19193977
Sigma's 35/2 for Sony price tag might seems be affordable within L alliance. .
And this lens doesn't look compact, just not too big and far from been light with 325 g.
Also, analog aperture ring might work within L alliance, I have lenses like this for my Leicas from fifties, seventies and earlier of this century, but for modern mirrorless like Canon R series it just a fashion statement. IMO. I see, change aperture in EVF. No reason to make lens bigger for it.

I'm waiting for Samyang to add their 35 and 24 f2.8 in RF mount. Those are truly compact and not too expensive AF lenses on Sony. 35 and 24 f2.8 Samyang's total cost is next to
cost of single Sigma 35/2 and so is summary weight. Rings the bell for walk around. Sigma isn't. IMO.

Yeah I guess it depends on what your tolerances are. Still a significant savings in size/price vs RF or Sony GM glass...though the 24GM and 35GM are remarkably small for f1.4 AF glass.

Sigma 45 f2.8 in the first photo about the same size as the Samyang 35...it looks larger than it is because the body is so small. Samyang 45 1.8 is only slightly larger, is an f1.8 lens, more affordable, but the build quality and optics are a step below. Depends on what you prioritize.

It's good to have choices!