Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EOS Digital Cameras 
Thread started 26 Aug 2020 (Wednesday) 09:33
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

-= Canon EOS R6 owners unite! Post photos and discuss.

 
rndman
Goldmember
1,616 posts
Gallery: 184 photos
Likes: 1131
Joined Apr 2008
     
Mar 14, 2021 17:22 |  #1936

Tronhard wrote in post #19208553 (external link)
Hi and thanks for your question.
Both images were taken at 240mm.
I was encouraged to go for this when I saw the review of the lens in a very detailed review on YouTube by
Justin Abott: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=_GjruRTqtwM (external link)
Gordon Laing: https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=0OrKHO0rBNY (external link)

In the latter Gordon's detailed reviews implies indicated that the 24-240 was at least as sharp as the RF 24-105L at the edges.
With the in-camera correction of JPGs and lens correction in PS the images come out looking great

Thanks.
That is an excellent IQ wide open @240mm.


smugmug (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
Tronhard
Goldmember
Avatar
1,216 posts
Gallery: 579 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 7161
Joined Jan 2020
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Post edited over 1 year ago by Tronhard. (10 edits in all)
     
Mar 14, 2021 17:32 |  #1937

i-G12 wrote in post #19208666 (external link)
OK I admit I’m struggling with this. I have never had a FF camera — always a crop sensor. My 80D was pretty good except in low light.

So I’m trying to understand why I would need the R5 instead of the R6. I don’t do BIF but instead animals in Africa. Not sure I need to shoot in crop mode for African wildlife. Reach is another issue but maybe the 1.4 TC would do me OK.

Jake, you’ve done a fair amount of photography in Africa. What’s you’re opinion sans BIF?

It's all about Equivalence and Field of View I hope this article I put together on the subject may approach the issue. If it seems over-simple for you, take succor in the thought that others may find it useful! :-)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51036724648_dc172a3af5_c.jpg

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51037552372_536b0eb55b_c.jpg

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51037552382_0a47fc5be8_c.jpg

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51036780833_dae9ac624e_c.jpg

There is an excellent article on this subject from DPREVIEW.COM that expands into a discussion of Equivalence in DoF and ISO:
https://www.dpreview.c​om …nce-and-why-should-i-care (external link)

So, what does all this mean for someone considering switching between, say an EOS 90D and a Canon R6, assuming the lenses are the same? The pixel density available after cropping from the FF to the APS-C format will be less by a factor of roughly 2.5 (1.6x1.6). If one wanted to get at least 20MP in a finished image using the cropping feature of the R FF sensors, then the R5 would offer the best pixel density currently - in crop mode it will offer 20MP.

This is why many long lens shooters like me are hoping for an APS-C sensor to replace the EOS 7D, lets call it the R7. If the R7 had an APS-C sensor it's pixel density would be the same as a FF sensor of 2.5 that. Thus, if an R7 had a sensor of 40MP (not outrageous right now), the pixel density would be the equivalent of a cropped image from a FF sensor of 100MP, but would be much cheaper to produce.

"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
We aren't remembered for the gear we use, rather the quality of the images we create. Me: Trevor...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosByDlee
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,529 posts
Gallery: 793 photos
Likes: 7601
Joined Apr 2012
Location: Sydney
     
Mar 14, 2021 18:02 |  #1938

Tronhard wrote in post #19208711 (external link)
QUOTED IMAGE

This gives me G.A.S for an 18mm prime for some reason. I want a wide prime that’s small and light and although unlikely, if Canon released an 18mm f/1.8 or f/2.8 that’s small and light would be perfect for me when traveling.


Sony Alpha A7 Mark IV - Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G - Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM - Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN Art
FujiFilm X-S10 - Fujifilm XF 33mm f/1.4 R LM WR - Sigma 56mm f/1.4

Website (external link) / flickr (external link) | Twitter (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
RayinAlaska
Senior Member
612 posts
Gallery: 43 photos
Likes: 400
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Alaska's interior
Post edited over 1 year ago by RayinAlaska.
     
Mar 14, 2021 18:02 |  #1939

Auroras using the R6 and a Tokina 16-28 mm f/2.8 at: f/3.5, 1,000 ISO, 8.0s exposure.

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Auroras-2021/i-zzFCV9s/0/78253217/L/Auroras3-21_34-L.jpg



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
i-G12
Wat?
Avatar
2,636 posts
Gallery: 245 photos
Likes: 2573
Joined Feb 2011
Location: Seattle, WA
     
Mar 14, 2021 18:09 |  #1940

Tronhard wrote in post #19208711 (external link)
It's all about Equivalence and Field of View I hope this article I put together on the subject may approach the issue. If it seems over-simple for you, take succor in the thought that others may find it useful! :-)

QUOTED IMAGE

QUOTED IMAGE

QUOTED IMAGE

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


So, what does all this mean for someone considering switching between, say an EOS 90D and a Canon R6, assuming the lenses are the same? The pixel density available after cropping from the FF to the APS-C format will be less by a factor of roughly 2.5 (1.6x1.6). If one wanted to get at least 20MP in a finished image using the cropping feature of the R FF sensors, then the R5 would offer the best pixel density currently - in crop mode it will offer 20MP.

This is why many long lens shooters like me are hoping for an APS-C sensor to replace the EOS 7D, lets call it the R7. If the R7 had an APS-C sensor it's pixel density would be the same as a FF sensor of 2.5 that. Thus, if an R7 had a sensor of 40MP (not outrageous right now), the pixel density would be the equivalent of a cropped image from a FF sensor of 100MP, but would be much cheaper to produce.

:eek:

I will read multiple times. Thanks.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tronhard
Goldmember
Avatar
1,216 posts
Gallery: 579 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 7161
Joined Jan 2020
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
     
Mar 14, 2021 18:28 |  #1941

Another shot taken with the RF 24-240, also at 240mm, cropped a fair bit.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
We aren't remembered for the gear we use, rather the quality of the images we create. Me: Trevor...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
LoneRider
Goldmember
Avatar
4,018 posts
Gallery: 1009 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 14167
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Marysville, WA.
     
Mar 14, 2021 18:47 |  #1942

Dlee13 wrote in post #19208719 (external link)
This gives me G.A.S for an 18mm prime for some reason. I want a wide prime that’s small and light and although unlikely, if Canon released an 18mm f/1.8 or f/2.8 that’s small and light would be perfect for me when traveling.

Laowa has an RF 12mm f/2.8 manual focus that is pretty sweet. Not super small, manual focus but a sharp lens. Not exactly cheap at $950 but fastest/widest in RF mount.

They also have a EF-M 9mm f/2.8 for your M5 that is super small, and much more affordable at $500. I just picked up a like new used one for $380 from BHPhoto.


Wayne...
IF METADATA SAYS “SONY A7” - IT WAS SHOT WITH EOS R7!
~I don't suffer from gear ADD, I embrace and enjoy it...~
Canon EOS R5, R6, R7, and a bunch of glass...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tronhard
Goldmember
Avatar
1,216 posts
Gallery: 579 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 7161
Joined Jan 2020
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Post edited over 1 year ago by Tronhard.
     
Mar 14, 2021 19:00 |  #1943

i-G12 wrote in post #19208727 (external link)
:eek:

I will read multiple times. Thanks.

There is a video that demonstrates this point fairly eloquently:

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=f5zN6NVx-hY (external link)

However, his terminology is a bit lax. He keeps saying the lens is changing focal length, that is not the case. It is the FoV that changes, the lens is the lens.


"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
We aren't remembered for the gear we use, rather the quality of the images we create. Me: Trevor...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Don1
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,682 posts
Gallery: 125 photos
Likes: 2670
Joined Dec 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
     
Mar 15, 2021 06:18 |  #1944

I've been chasing the Hooded Merganser for some time now and have finally been able to get close enough for a decent image. Still needed the 100-400 II with the 2x extender though but am quite happy with the final result.

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51036930146_ceda7328d9_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://www.flickr.com …51036930146/in/​datetaken/  (external link)
Hooded Merganser (external link)] by Don Cassel on Flickr

Don
Canon EOS R5, Canon 5D Mark III, Canon 7D Mark II, Canon EF 70-200mm F4 L IS, Canon EF 100-400 L IS II, EF 24-105mm, EF 16-35mm f/4 L IS USM, Canon EF 300mm f/4 L IS USM
See my photos on My Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosByDlee
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,529 posts
Gallery: 793 photos
Likes: 7601
Joined Apr 2012
Location: Sydney
     
Mar 15, 2021 06:42 |  #1945

LoneRider wrote in post #19208752 (external link)
Laowa has an RF 12mm f/2.8 manual focus that is pretty sweet. Not super small, manual focus but a sharp lens. Not exactly cheap at $950 but fastest/widest in RF mount.

They also have a EF-M 9mm f/2.8 for your M5 that is super small, and much more affordable at $500. I just picked up a like new used one for $380 from BHPhoto.

Thanks for the suggestions but sadly neither fits what I’m after as AF is a must and so is it being a FF lens. Samyang actually make a 18mm f/2.8 lens but sadly it’s currently only on FE so hopefully they bring it over the RF too as that would be my number one contender then.

Ideally Tamron would release something as I’ve found them to by my favorite 3rd party manufacturer!


Sony Alpha A7 Mark IV - Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G - Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM - Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN Art
FujiFilm X-S10 - Fujifilm XF 33mm f/1.4 R LM WR - Sigma 56mm f/1.4

Website (external link) / flickr (external link) | Twitter (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
RayinAlaska
Senior Member
612 posts
Gallery: 43 photos
Likes: 400
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Alaska's interior
Post edited over 1 year ago by RayinAlaska. (2 edits in all)
     
Mar 15, 2021 15:41 |  #1946

Please note that I don't use in-camera long exposure noise reduction. During the post precessing of my photos I use NIK's Dfine to take care of digital noice.

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Auroras-2021/i-Kq7dNnb/0/49eab96b/L/Auroras3-21._43-L.jpg

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Auroras-2021/i-gsPzSfh/0/2e76f180/L/Auroras3-21_47-L.jpg



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tronhard
Goldmember
Avatar
1,216 posts
Gallery: 579 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 7161
Joined Jan 2020
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
     
Mar 15, 2021 23:27 |  #1947

R6, RF24-240, 150mm, f/6.3, 1/200sec, ISO-1250


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


"All the beauty of life is made up of light and shadow", Leo Tolstoy;
"Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase" Percy W. Harris
We aren't remembered for the gear we use, rather the quality of the images we create. Me: Trevor...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosByDlee
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,529 posts
Gallery: 793 photos
Likes: 7601
Joined Apr 2012
Location: Sydney
     
Mar 16, 2021 05:36 |  #1948

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51042585901_54e54ab06a_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2kLs​Auv  (external link) The Baby (external link) by Daniel Lee (external link)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51031824957_a78cbb618c_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2kKv​rCZ  (external link) Just Blending In (external link) by Daniel Lee (external link)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51031825392_fad6eb2dd7_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2kKv​rLu  (external link) Giraffe (external link) by Daniel Lee (external link)

Sony Alpha A7 Mark IV - Sony FE PZ 16-35mm f/4 G - Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM - Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN Art
FujiFilm X-S10 - Fujifilm XF 33mm f/1.4 R LM WR - Sigma 56mm f/1.4

Website (external link) / flickr (external link) | Twitter (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
amyandmark3
Goldmember
Avatar
2,432 posts
Gallery: 429 photos
Likes: 8506
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Northern California
     
Mar 16, 2021 19:17 |  #1949

Don1 wrote in post #19208959 (external link)
I've been chasing the Hooded Merganser for some time now and have finally been able to get close enough for a decent image. Still needed the 100-400 II with the 2x extender though but am quite happy with the final result.

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: https://www.flickr.com …51036930146/in/​datetaken/  (external link)
Hooded Merganser (external link)] by Don Cassel on Flickr

Good shot of the hoodie Don. That was my birding setup before I picked up the 800 f/11 and I thought it worked pretty well!


Mark

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Don1
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,682 posts
Gallery: 125 photos
Likes: 2670
Joined Dec 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
     
Mar 17, 2021 16:53 as a reply to  @ amyandmark3's post |  #1950

Thanks Mark. I find that when I'm using the 2x I often need the zoom capability of the 100-400. On the contrary, today I was using the 1.4x and never needed to use zoom.


Don
Canon EOS R5, Canon 5D Mark III, Canon 7D Mark II, Canon EF 70-200mm F4 L IS, Canon EF 100-400 L IS II, EF 24-105mm, EF 16-35mm f/4 L IS USM, Canon EF 300mm f/4 L IS USM
See my photos on My Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

639,572 views & 14,922 likes for this thread
-= Canon EOS R6 owners unite! Post photos and discuss.
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EOS Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is archiefilmphoto11
756 guests, 179 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.