Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Sony Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Sony Cameras 
Thread started 09 Jun 2017 (Friday) 10:57
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Sony Lounge Thread MKIII (All Sony cameras welcome)

 
sidknee
Goldmember
Avatar
2,238 posts
Gallery: 1157 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 24867
Joined Mar 2010
Location: Camarthenshire, UK
     
Jun 09, 2021 12:44 |  #48961

Eurasian bullfinch




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
David ­ Arbogast
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,309 posts
Gallery: 37 photos
Likes: 10197
Joined Aug 2010
Location: AL | GA Stateline
     
Jun 09, 2021 13:54 |  #48962

Bianchi wrote in post #19246029 (external link)
Welcome David, alway's enjoyable to see your work.

No doubt, I feel your pain, as 18 & 25 Batis render beautifully. Yes the 85 Loxia is another winner, a very popular lens for landscape shooters, and the 135 Batis, well as you say, its special. Love it's rendering for the kind of shooting I would do with it.!!

Appreciate your feed back on the Loxia 35. I did read its best at f8, f11 which would be where I would be using it. Good to hear your report regarding flaring & ghosting, as that was kind of putting me off, as I've been debating between it and the CV35apo.

Ah, I see…I didn’t know your reason for asking about the Loxia 35mm. Now that I more fully understand your frame of reference I need to share more critically important details in choising between CV 35 and Loxia 35.

I must tell you that Loxia lenses are not fun to handle. Their little unarticulated barrels offer no solid purchase for your fingers mounting/dismounting; there is very little space between the aperture and focus rings. From an ergonomics standpoint I vastly prefer the Voigtländer lenses. Indeed the difference couldn’t be more extreme for me: Loxia lenses have the worst handling, while CV lenses have the absolute best handling. The way CV lenses are wonderfully knurled with lovely dampened focus rings is sooo satisfying in use (for me).

I haven’t researched the CV 35mm Apo, but I generally regard CV lenses to be nearly as good as Loxias in color rendering to the point where that wouldn’t factor in my decision-making. So why the heck do I have a Loxia kit versus a Voigtländer kit??

The main reason I shoot Loxias for my landscape kit over CV lenses comes down to a shared 52mm filter thread. This allows me to have a nice range of NDs and Dark CPLs (Breakthrough) in a very small pouch. And the Loxia lenses tend to be smaller and weigh less (e.g. CV 65 vs Loxia 85). And another major deciding factor in my choice is that while Voigtländer has superb choices at 21mm and 35/40mm, they don’t have an 85mm lens and that was important to me.

Sorry for writing this book, but you’re making a tough choice and I want you to know the complete truth about Loxias. And if you’re just buying a 35mm lens and aren’t trying to create a complete set of Loxias, then I would be choosing Voigtländer if the CV lens is equal or better than the Loxia optically (sharpness, flares, sunstars, etc.).


David | Flickr (external link)
Sony: α1, α7S III | Sony: 24GM, 12-24GM, 24-105G, 200-600G | Sigma Art: 35 F1.2, 105 Macro | Zeiss Batis: 85, 135 | Zeiss Loxia: 21, 35, 85

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
David ­ Arbogast
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,309 posts
Gallery: 37 photos
Likes: 10197
Joined Aug 2010
Location: AL | GA Stateline
     
Jun 09, 2021 14:10 |  #48963

sidknee wrote in post #19246092 (external link)
Eurasian bullfinch

This is really beautiful. Great work!


David | Flickr (external link)
Sony: α1, α7S III | Sony: 24GM, 12-24GM, 24-105G, 200-600G | Sigma Art: 35 F1.2, 105 Macro | Zeiss Batis: 85, 135 | Zeiss Loxia: 21, 35, 85

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Itsed65
Goldmember
Avatar
4,740 posts
Gallery: 2021 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 53485
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Midcoast Maine
     
Jun 09, 2021 14:59 |  #48964

I'm finally getting some footing here in Maine, and managed to get my desktop rig set up, so have started going through some of my shots from the cross country road trip last month. From somewhere in Nevada, heading east on I-80.

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51237626400_616eb4e97c_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2m4G​eeJ  (external link)
Nevada Ridge (external link) by lennycarl08 (Almost Done Moving!) (external link), on Flickr

Fuji XT-2, XT-3, Sony A7RIV, A9 and RX10 MK IV
My Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Miranda1
Goldmember
Avatar
1,856 posts
Gallery: 15 photos
Likes: 7337
Joined May 2005
     
Jun 09, 2021 14:59 |  #48965

eriet30 wrote in post #19246087 (external link)
oooooo that is interesting.... I like the F16 clarity .... my cv does that at 5.6 lol

thank you

Based on my experience the only lens that comes close to the VC sunstars is the Loxia 21.


Sony A1, A7R2
Canon/Sony Glass: Canon 200 F2, 135 GM,12-24 G, 16-35 GM, 24-70 GM, 90 GM, 12-24 GM
Zeiss Glass: 55 OTUS, 100 Makro Planar, Contax 100-300
Legacy and M Mount Glass: Leica 90 APO, Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM Distagon, Zeiss 50 1.5 C, Zeiss Biogon 25 ZM, Zeiss 85 Tele-Tessar, Canon 50 F0.95, Meyer-Optik Trioplan 100 F2.8, Zeiss Biotar 58.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Miranda1
Goldmember
Avatar
1,856 posts
Gallery: 15 photos
Likes: 7337
Joined May 2005
     
Jun 09, 2021 15:13 |  #48966

David Arbogast wrote in post #19246126 (external link)
Ah, I see…I didn’t know your reason for asking about the Loxia 35mm. Now that I more fully understand your frame of reference I need to share more critically important details in choising between CV 35 and Loxia 35.

I must tell you that Loxia lenses are not fun to handle. Their little unarticulated barrels offer no solid purchase for your fingers mounting/dismounting; there is very little space between the aperture and focus rings. From an ergonomics standpoint I vastly prefer the Voigtländer lenses. Indeed the difference couldn’t be more extreme for me: Loxia lenses have the worst handling, while CV lenses have the absolute best handling. The way CV lenses are wonderfully knurled with lovely dampened focus rings is sooo satisfying in use (for me).

I haven’t researched the CV 35mm Apo, but I generally regard CV lenses to be nearly as good as Loxias in color rendering to the point where that wouldn’t factor in my decision-making. So why the heck do I have a Loxia kit versus a Voigtländer kit??

The main reason I shoot Loxias for my landscape kit over CV lenses comes down to a shared 52mm filter thread. This allows me to have a nice range of NDs and Dark CPLs (Breakthrough) in a very small pouch. And the Loxia lenses tend to be smaller and weigh less (e.g. CV 65 vs Loxia 85). And another major deciding factor in my choice is that while Voigtländer has superb choices at 21mm and 35/40mm, they don’t have an 85mm lens and that was important to me.

Sorry for writing this book, but you’re making a tough choice and I want you to know the complete truth about Loxias. And if you’re just buying a 35mm lens and aren’t trying to create a complete set of Loxias, then I would be choosing Voigtländer if the CV lens is equal or better than the Loxia optically (sharpness, flares, sunstars, etc.).

David, a great assessment of the differences between the Loxias and the VCs. I only have the Loxia 21 but I love the size and the overall IQ of that particular lens however I hate the ergonomics when compared to the VCs.


Sony A1, A7R2
Canon/Sony Glass: Canon 200 F2, 135 GM,12-24 G, 16-35 GM, 24-70 GM, 90 GM, 12-24 GM
Zeiss Glass: 55 OTUS, 100 Makro Planar, Contax 100-300
Legacy and M Mount Glass: Leica 90 APO, Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM Distagon, Zeiss 50 1.5 C, Zeiss Biogon 25 ZM, Zeiss 85 Tele-Tessar, Canon 50 F0.95, Meyer-Optik Trioplan 100 F2.8, Zeiss Biotar 58.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
eriet30
Goldmember
Avatar
2,925 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 3271
Joined Jul 2011
Location: Phoenix AZ
     
Jun 09, 2021 15:27 |  #48967

Miranda1 wrote in post #19246148 (external link)
Based on my experience the only lens that comes close to the VC sunstars is the Loxia 21.


Thats my fear..... Im getting the 14 with thinking I am selling the cv10 and the lox 21 :cry:


"Vision is the art of seeing that which is invisible"
http:// … flickr (external link) www.paulvanderveen.net (external link)

A9 / A7R4 -CV10, Loxia 21, FE35GM, FE85G, Sigma 105 Macro, FE 100-400GM, FE 200-600 G, Rok 8mm Fish, Sony 1.4x
Legacy Glass: Canon FD 55 1.2 FOR SALE: A6000InfraRed, Viv S1 90 2.5 macro , Jupiter 9 85mm 1.4, GVM slider

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Miranda1
Goldmember
Avatar
1,856 posts
Gallery: 15 photos
Likes: 7337
Joined May 2005
     
Jun 09, 2021 15:49 |  #48968

eriet30 wrote in post #19246159 (external link)
Thats my fear..... Im getting the 14 with thinking I am selling the cv10 and the lox 21 :cry:

Not sure a 14mm would replace a lens like the 10, field of view would be significantly different from that perspective alone. If FW and Sunstars are you most critical requirements I would probably stay with the VC10.


Sony A1, A7R2
Canon/Sony Glass: Canon 200 F2, 135 GM,12-24 G, 16-35 GM, 24-70 GM, 90 GM, 12-24 GM
Zeiss Glass: 55 OTUS, 100 Makro Planar, Contax 100-300
Legacy and M Mount Glass: Leica 90 APO, Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM Distagon, Zeiss 50 1.5 C, Zeiss Biogon 25 ZM, Zeiss 85 Tele-Tessar, Canon 50 F0.95, Meyer-Optik Trioplan 100 F2.8, Zeiss Biotar 58.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
David ­ Arbogast
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,309 posts
Gallery: 37 photos
Likes: 10197
Joined Aug 2010
Location: AL | GA Stateline
Post edited 15 days ago by David Arbogast. (2 edits in all)
     
Jun 09, 2021 16:43 |  #48969

Fedex shipping from BH is 100% reliably one-day late for me. Looking forward to getting my new lens on [checks email] Saturday June 12! ;)

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51236732716_f3c6efcf14_h.jpg

David | Flickr (external link)
Sony: α1, α7S III | Sony: 24GM, 12-24GM, 24-105G, 200-600G | Sigma Art: 35 F1.2, 105 Macro | Zeiss Batis: 85, 135 | Zeiss Loxia: 21, 35, 85

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Miranda1
Goldmember
Avatar
1,856 posts
Gallery: 15 photos
Likes: 7337
Joined May 2005
     
Jun 10, 2021 06:53 |  #48970

David Arbogast wrote in post #19246182 (external link)
Fedex shipping from BH is 100% reliably one-day late for me. Looking forward to getting my new lens on [checks email] Saturday June 12! ;)
QUOTED IMAGE

Congrats David! The 12-24 is a phenomenally good lens.


Sony A1, A7R2
Canon/Sony Glass: Canon 200 F2, 135 GM,12-24 G, 16-35 GM, 24-70 GM, 90 GM, 12-24 GM
Zeiss Glass: 55 OTUS, 100 Makro Planar, Contax 100-300
Legacy and M Mount Glass: Leica 90 APO, Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM Distagon, Zeiss 50 1.5 C, Zeiss Biogon 25 ZM, Zeiss 85 Tele-Tessar, Canon 50 F0.95, Meyer-Optik Trioplan 100 F2.8, Zeiss Biotar 58.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Bianchi
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,937 posts
Gallery: 41 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 11344
Joined Jan 2010
Location: USA
Post edited 14 days ago by Bianchi. (2 edits in all)
     
Jun 10, 2021 11:44 |  #48971

David Arbogast wrote in post #19246126 (external link)
Ah, I see…I didn’t know your reason for asking about the Loxia 35mm. Now that I more fully understand your frame of reference I need to share more critically important details in choising between CV 35 and Loxia 35.

I must tell you that Loxia lenses are not fun to hrgonomicsandle. Their little unarticulated barrels offer no solid purchase for your fingers mounting/dismounting; there is very little space between the aperture and focus rings. From an e standpoint I vastly prefer the Voigtländer lenses. Indeed the difference couldn’t be more extreme for me: Loxia lenses have the worst handling, while CV lenses have the absolute best handling. The way CV lenses are wonderfully knurled with lovely dampened focus rings is sooo satisfying in use (for me).

I haven’t researched the CV 35mm Apo, but I generally regard CV lenses to be nearly as good as Loxias in color rendering to the point where that wouldn’t factor in my decision-making. So why the heck do I have a Loxia kit versus a Voigtländer kit??

The main reason I shoot Loxias for my landscape kit over CV lenses comes down to a shared 52mm filter thread. This allows me to have a nice range of NDs and Dark CPLs (Breakthrough) in a very small pouch. And the Loxia lenses tend to be smaller and weigh less (e.g. CV 65 vs Loxia 85). And another major deciding factor in my choice is that while Voigtländer has superb choices at 21mm and 35/40mm, they don’t have an 85mm lens and that was important to me.

Sorry for writing this book, but you’re making a tough choice and I want you to know the complete truth about Loxias. And if you’re just buying a 35mm lens and aren’t trying to create a complete set of Loxias, then I would be choosing Voigtländer if the CV lens is equal or better than the Loxia optically (sharpness, flares, sunstars, etc.).

Quite nice of you David, appreciate your thoughts. Thank you!!

I have the trinity of fast zooms which I use locally and makes shooting a breeze, but I wanted a small & lite prime MF kit for travel and long hikes.

I have a CV15 III with the hood shaved professionally by SK Grimes, so easy for filters and a Loxia 21. I did read some folks were not happy with the Loxia's ergonomics, but honestly it doesn't bother me, and I have large hands. Definitely the CV lenses are more ergo friendly. Your absolutely wright from a color rendering they are very similar.

In my case of filters I have shared 82mm sprocket polarizer from Singh Ray that's shared across all of my lenses. So one filter for all of my lenses. It's housed in a Lee filter holder where i can use various ND's as well.

I use a ZM85, renders very much like Loxia 85 but smaller & liter, so I just need a 35, either a CV Apo or Loxia.


Congratulations on your 12-24GM So what are your plans with the 12-24G & 14-24?


My Gear flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TRhoads
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
9,038 posts
Gallery: 680 photos
Best ofs: 3
Likes: 17192
Joined Jun 2009
Location: Roswell, Georgia
     
Jun 10, 2021 12:16 |  #48972

I have the 200-600 for a while again...had it for the track to shoot some video, realized that I really could have used a 95mm ND filter...oh well. Footage turned out fine.

But it also means birds...my favorite one, Red Bellied Woodpecker we call Dave. He is very shy at first, but once he remembers me, he comes around and poses a lot.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


Gear List & Feedback | SmugMug Page (external link) | Flickr (external link) | Facebook (external link) | Instagram (external link)|YouTube (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Itsed65
Goldmember
Avatar
4,740 posts
Gallery: 2021 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 53485
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Midcoast Maine
     
Jun 10, 2021 12:17 |  #48973

New house meant time for a new grill! First steak in Maine.

IMAGE: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51238368281_4738961615_h.jpg
IMAGE LINK: https://flic.kr/p/2m4L​2LM  (external link)
New House = New Grill! (external link) by lennycarl08 (Almost Done Moving!) (external link), on Flickr

Fuji XT-2, XT-3, Sony A7RIV, A9 and RX10 MK IV
My Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
David ­ Arbogast
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,309 posts
Gallery: 37 photos
Likes: 10197
Joined Aug 2010
Location: AL | GA Stateline
     
Jun 10, 2021 12:27 |  #48974

Bianchi wrote in post #19246407 (external link)
Quite nice of you David, appreciate your thoughts. Thank you!!

I have the trinity of fast zooms which I use locally and makes shooting a breeze, but I wanted a small & lite prime MF kit for travel and long hikes.

I have a CV15 III with the hood shaved professionally by SK Grimes, so easy for filters and a Loxia 21. I did read some folks were not happy with the Loxia's ergonomics, but honestly it doesn't bother me, and I have large hands. Definitely the CV lenses are more ergo friendly. Your absolutely wright from a color rendering they are very similar.

In my case of filters I have shared 82mm sprocket polarizer from Singh Ray that's shared across all of my lenses. So one filter for all of my lenses. It's housed in a Lee filter holder where i can use various ND's as well.

I use a ZM85, renders very much like Loxia 85 but smaller & liter, so I just need a 35, either a CV Apo or Loxia.

Congratulations on your 12-24GM So what are your plans with the 12-24G & 14-24?

Thanks for the congrats; I’m really excited about the 12-24GM! :) If it suits me, then I’ll be selling the FE 12-24G and Sigma 14-24mm Art.


David | Flickr (external link)
Sony: α1, α7S III | Sony: 24GM, 12-24GM, 24-105G, 200-600G | Sigma Art: 35 F1.2, 105 Macro | Zeiss Batis: 85, 135 | Zeiss Loxia: 21, 35, 85

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
David ­ Arbogast
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
12,309 posts
Gallery: 37 photos
Likes: 10197
Joined Aug 2010
Location: AL | GA Stateline
     
Jun 10, 2021 12:29 |  #48975

TRhoads wrote in post #19246415 (external link)
I have the 200-600 for a while again...had it for the track to shoot some video, realized that I really could have used a 95mm ND filter...oh well. Footage turned out fine.

But it also means birds...my favorite one, Red Bellied Woodpecker we call Dave. He is very shy at first, but once he remembers me, he comes around and poses a lot.

thumbnail
Hosted photo: posted by TRhoads in
./showthread.php?p=192​46415&i=i144729364
forum: Sony Cameras


thumbnail
Hosted photo: posted by TRhoads in
./showthread.php?p=192​46415&i=i140824447
forum: Sony Cameras

Dave is beautiful. Great shots.


David | Flickr (external link)
Sony: α1, α7S III | Sony: 24GM, 12-24GM, 24-105G, 200-600G | Sigma Art: 35 F1.2, 105 Macro | Zeiss Batis: 85, 135 | Zeiss Loxia: 21, 35, 85

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

9,457,154 views & 115,141 likes for this thread
Sony Lounge Thread MKIII (All Sony cameras welcome)
FORUMS Sony Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Sony Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Feedmypets
671 guests, 215 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.