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Jun 10, 2021 05:44 |  #4816

DougZ wrote in post #19246193 (external link)
Thanks!
I'm in the Southern Hemisphere so cannot even see the North Star\Big Dipper - we have no actual star to point the camera at but have to draw imaginary lines in the night sky (in your minds eye) that bisect the Southern Cross & the Pointers. No big deal once you understand how to do it but it renders the polar alignment mechanism (usually an illuminated tube) on Star Trackers useless.
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Jun 10, 2021 17:13 |  #4817

I live on an Island and there is a swing bridge that connects us to the mainland. It is reaching the end of it's life and will be replaced in the next couple years. I had the picture in my mind for the past few years and finally made it a reality last night. Was a really difficult shoot for me as the lights on the bridge where far brighter than I imagined and that combined with the light pollution from the town was a challenge.

The mainland is on the left, the town of Little Current, ON (first settlement on the Manitoulin Island) is on the right.

If anyone has some suggestions on how to handle these circumstances feel free to comment.


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Jun 10, 2021 18:19 as a reply to  @ Shortaction's post |  #4818

Good grief, that's a fantastic shot.
I love how you've captured the Milky Way night sky along with the terra-bound
objects of our ground-based existence.

I wouldn't suggest a single change, but I'm not one of the many astro-experts
we have here.

If I had captured that image, I'd hang it on my walls somewhere.
I'd probably want to display it as a 2-by-4 foot print.


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Jun 10, 2021 20:22 |  #4819

SkedAddled wrote in post #19246565 (external link)
Good grief, that's a fantastic shot.
I love how you've captured the Milky Way night sky along with the terra-bound
objects of our ground-based existence.

I wouldn't suggest a single change, but I'm not one of the many astro-experts
we have here.

If I had captured that image, I'd hang it on my walls somewhere.
I'd probably want to display it as a 2-by-4 foot print.


I'm humbled, thanks so much!




  
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Jun 10, 2021 21:18 |  #4820

Shortaction wrote in post #19246536 (external link)
I live on an Island and there is a swing bridge that connects us to the mainland. It is reaching the end of it's life and will be replaced in the next couple years. I had the picture in my mind for the past few years and finally made it a reality last night. Was a really difficult shoot for me as the lights on the bridge where far brighter than I imagined and that combined with the light pollution from the town was a challenge.

The mainland is on the left, the town of Little Current, ON (first settlement on the Manitoulin Island) is on the right.

If anyone has some suggestions on how to handle these circumstances feel free to comment.


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I also think it's a great shot.
But as for your concerns .... I certainly don't think the lights are too blown out to be bought back down.
The other thing you could do is take two shots - one that exposes the lights to your preference & another that exposes the Milky Way to your preference. Add them as layers in photoshop & blend them together.
I have taken the liberty of adjusting the photo as per my first suggestion & am happy to post it with your permission.
But yup, nice shot!




  
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Jun 11, 2021 00:21 |  #4821

Shortaction wrote in post #19246536 (external link)
I live on an Island and there is a swing bridge that connects us to the mainland. It is reaching the end of it's life and will be replaced in the next couple years. I had the picture in my mind for the past few years and finally made it a reality last night. Was a really difficult shoot for me as the lights on the bridge where far brighter than I imagined and that combined with the light pollution from the town was a challenge.

The mainland is on the left, the town of Little Current, ON (first settlement on the Manitoulin Island) is on the right.

If anyone has some suggestions on how to handle these circumstances feel free to comment.


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I am also no astro expert, but I agree that your capture is ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT!!!!


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Jun 11, 2021 05:17 |  #4822

Inspeqtor wrote in post #19246637 (external link)
I am also no astro expert, but I agree that your capture is ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT!!!!

I appreciate that, thank you!




  
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Jun 11, 2021 05:37 |  #4823

DougZ wrote in post #19246604 (external link)
I also think it's a great shot.
But as for your concerns .... I certainly don't think the lights are too blown out to be bought back down.
The other thing you could do is take two shots - one that exposes the lights to your preference & another that exposes the Milky Way to your preference. Add them as layers in photoshop & blend them together.
I have taken the liberty of adjusting the photo as per my first suggestion & am happy to post it with your permission.
But yup, nice shot!

Sure I would enjoy seeing your rendition of the shot I posted or of either of these as well.

This is the original photo I started with. To get this I had to hold my cell phone across in front of the bottom 1/3-1/2 of the lens and work it up and down so as to not leave a strong transition point.


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This is what an original photo looked like without using my phone in front of the lens. You will notice the composition has changed between these as the Milky Way kept climbing in the sky as I was trying different amounts of feathering with the phone across the lens so had to adjust for that.


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Jun 11, 2021 07:51 |  #4824

Shortaction wrote in post #19246692 (external link)
Sure I would enjoy seeing your rendition of the shot I posted or of either of these as well.

This is the original photo I started with. To get this I had to hold my cell phone across in front of the bottom 1/3-1/2 of the lens and work it up and down so as to not leave a strong transition point.

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This is what an original photo looked like without using my phone in front of the lens. You will notice the composition has changed between these as the Milky Way kept climbing in the sky as I was trying different amounts of feathering with the phone across the lens so had to adjust for that.

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It’s a nice final image and your edit on the milky way is great. If you use photoshop you could save yourself a headache and just shoot an exposure(s) for the sky and an exposure(s) for the foreground and blend in post. Would save experimentation in the field with your phone feathering the bottom


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Jun 11, 2021 11:57 |  #4825

Eddie wrote in post #19246732 (external link)
It’s a nice final image and your edit on the milky way is great. If you use photoshop you could save yourself a headache and just shoot an exposure(s) for the sky and an exposure(s) for the foreground and blend in post. Would save experimentation in the field with your phone feathering the bottom

Thank you for the reply. I use PS sparingly, but something I should do some research on!




  
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Jun 11, 2021 12:06 |  #4826

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Thank you for the reply. I use PS sparingly, but something I should do some research on!

Might speed up your time when taking the images and allow you to possibly catch more images/compositions.

Very easy to do, just layer the images then add a layer mask on the sky image and brush in the foreground image (or vice versa). Easy to undo it or dial it back if you do it that way. Use the “align layers” option before doing that to make sure everything is in the right place.

Many ways of doing the same thing in PS so that’s just one of them. Another alternative is to do a single shot exposing for the sky, then in lightroom adding a horizontal grad and reducing exposure on the foreground section of the image.

Hope you don’t mind me offering this up, not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just some friendly thoughts ;-)a

As I said in my first post, your image is great and you processed the Milky Way well


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Jun 11, 2021 16:36 |  #4827

Eddie wrote in post #19246827 (external link)
Might speed up your time when taking the images and allow you to possibly catch more images/compositions.

Very easy to do, just layer the images then add a layer mask on the sky image and brush in the foreground image (or vice versa). Easy to undo it or dial it back if you do it that way. Use the “align layers” option before doing that to make sure everything is in the right place.

Many ways of doing the same thing in PS so that’s just one of them. Another alternative is to do a single shot exposing for the sky, then in lightroom adding a horizontal grad and reducing exposure on the foreground section of the image.

Hope you don’t mind me offering this up, not trying to be a smart ass or anything, just some friendly thoughts ;-)a

As I said in my first post, your image is great and you processed the Milky Way well


Don't mind at all! Happy to hear any suggestions!! Thanks again!!




  
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Jun 12, 2021 14:39 |  #4828

Let me be clear: I'm NOT happy with these mainly due to the S___ Show of the 18-55 EFS. Why in the world Canon thought it would be a great design idea to have the lens refocus if you accidently change the focal length while night hiking is a horrible design decision...

Anyways, thought I'd share these even though they are maybe about 5% of what I expect of myself from a results standpoint, and to remind everyone we should ALWAYS be in the mode of improving, so complacency is not an option!!!

Here's what I learned coming from a 5mkIV + 16-35 F4 then going to a 90d and 18-55 EFS (wanted to chase wildlife for a bit) - You will miss the focus scale to get you in the strike zone easily, and you'll miss the focus staying constant regardless of focal length. Albeit I'm talking apples vs. oranges here as one lens is $200 and the other, with all of the fiscal "stimulus" packages leading to dire levels of inflation now around $1200.

Now that I live close to this area, you'll all will see some improvement... these are in the "fun" photos / night hiking navigation category....

Any suggestions on a crop sensor PRIME lens that can get me in the zone for < $400 ? (must work on a crop canon for the short term) I want something that I can click on my headlamp, choose infinity, and then go back to laying in the dirt and enjoying the stars as the camera does it's thing...


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Jun 12, 2021 16:07 |  #4829

markesc wrote in post #19247244 (external link)
Let me be clear: I'm NOT happy with these mainly due to the S___ Show of the 18-55 EFS. Why in the world Canon thought it would be a great design idea to have the lens refocus if you accidently change the focal length while night hiking is a horrible design decision...

Anyways, thought I'd share these even though they are maybe about 5% of what I expect of myself from a results standpoint, and to remind everyone we should ALWAYS be in the mode of improving, so complacency is not an option!!!

Here's what I learned coming from a 5mkIV + 16-35 F4 then going to a 90d and 18-55 EFS (wanted to chase wildlife for a bit) - You will miss the focus scale to get you in the strike zone easily, and you'll miss the focus staying constant regardless of focal length. Albeit I'm talking apples vs. oranges here as one lens is $200 and the other, with all of the fiscal "stimulus" packages leading to dire levels of inflation now around $1200.

Now that I live close to this area, you'll all will see some improvement... these are in the "fun" photos / night hiking navigation category....

Any suggestions on a crop sensor PRIME lens that can get me in the zone for < $400 ? (must work on a crop canon for the short term) I want something that I can click on my headlamp, choose infinity, and then go back to laying in the dirt and enjoying the stars as the camera does it's thing...


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All said and done, still nice images!

With regards to a good crop lens, I’m a bit detached from canon now as been with Sony for the last while but what about some of the rokinon /Samyang lenses? They are always good with respect to coma control for Astro. Could you even get a wide full frame lens and use it on your crop and take the 1.5x penalty?


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Jun 12, 2021 20:08 |  #4830

Lots of people like the Rokinon/Samyang 14mm f2.8 all-manual lens for night/astro landscapes.

Most (all?) of the recent Canon EFS lenses *are* fly-by-wire focus. There are a few exceptions, like the Canon EFS 17-55mm f2.8.

I have some super wide zooms; a Canon 10-18mm (slowish, fly-by-wire), and a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 1st gen that is a gem. When you click the lens into Manual focus it is all mechanical! You could use a little blue tape to lock focus on an MF lens.

Fly-by-wire means that only the focus motor can change focus. If you twist a ring in Manual AF mode you’re controlling the focus motor, not the mechanics of the lens.


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