canon discontinues EF and EF-S lenses

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19346091
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Great point.

This idea that some people seem to have, that you need to have current lenses that are still serviced by Canon, is just a weird, errant misunderstanding of reality. . I don't understand how anyone develops such a mindset. . I use lenses and bodies years and years and years after support has been discontinued, and it's no problem at all. . Those people who think that way probably think that if you buy a 15 year old car with 150,000 miles on it, that it will need lots of repairs and not be reliable. . They are clueless!

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So I see your point. I think the real problem with EF lens is...BIG IF....when Canon decides to discontinue .... getting older lens repaired. Who repairs them, where to get a part....these things with electronics are much more difficult to work with than a car

Example- I have a version 500F4 that was MFG'd in 2008.....where do you get a 500F4 fixed when Canon wont repair it ? To me this is going to be the issue with the change to RF Bodies and RF lens

Im retiring and closing my business. I have great glass and bodies and I dont want to go R mount bodies anytime soon and the costs for RF lens is just fricking stupid......my retirement funds dont need to keep canon fed....im using an adapter...and more importantly....the version 2 EF lens are outstanding...with very few exceptions.....the R lens are not that much better ( if at all ) especially with the super telephotos.....500F4's​, 400 F/2.8, 400 DO and 600F4's in EF mounts are not going to get better with an R mount put on them....and thats exactly what canon is doing with the super telephotos. they are switching the mounts

umphotography wrote in post #19346432
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So I see your point. I think the real problem with EF lens is...BIG IF....when Canon decides to discontinue .... getting older lens repaired. Who repairs them, where to get a part....these things with electronics are much more difficult to work with than a car

Example- I have a version 500F4 that was MFG'd in 2008.....where do you get a 500F4 fixed when Canon wont repair it ? To me this is going to be the issue with the change to RF Bodies and RF lens
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A boss of mine years ago - an extremely successful, now quite wealthy business owner - used to say, "don't solve problems that you don't even have yet."

The point of that is that it is often foolhardy to think of what might go wrong in the future, and then spend time or money to ensure that it doesn't happen. . It is usually far more efficient to go ahead and let the problem happen, and then solve it once it is actually a real problem. . Odds are in most cases that the problem you are concerned about will never happen, and then you'll be ahead by not having spent any resources trying to solve it. . And if it does happen, you can solve it just as efficiently at the point of need than if you had tried to solve it beforehand.

So, the wise thing to do is to just keep using that old 500mm EF lens. . If something goes wrong with in years from now, worry about how to get it fixed at that time. . And if it can't be fixed, then replace it at that time. . Odds are that it never breaks even after another 20 years of use. And if it does happen to break, you will be able to replace it with another old 500mm EF lens that you get for a song, and then use that one until it breaks. . One or two old 500mm EF lenses will outlast you - meaning that you will be dead before you have more than one or two of them break and need to be replaced.

Future-proofing is usually a very wasteful and inefficient use of money. . The people who buy old things, use them until they have nothing left to give, then replace them with another already old thing - are the ones who get far more for their dollar. . There will always be old, long-ago-discontinued lenses available for a song via eBay, classifieds, and Craigslist. . Use that to your advantage.
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umphotography wrote in post #19346432
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Im retiring and closing my business.
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For real this time? . LOL. . I seem to remember you saying this years ago, and then it never happened ...... forgive me if I remember incorrectly.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #19346475
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A boss of mine years ago - an extremely successful, now quite wealthy business owner - used to say, "don't solve problems that you don't even have yet."

The point of that is that it is often foolhardy to think of what might go wrong in the future, and then spend time or money to ensure that it doesn't happen. . It is usually far more efficient to go ahead and let the problem happen, and then solve it once it is actually a real problem. . Odds are in most cases that the problem you are concerned about will never happen, and then you'll be ahead by not having spent any resources trying to solve it. . And if it does happen, you can solve it just as efficiently at the point of need than if you had tried to solve it beforehand.

So, the wise thing to do is to just keep using that old 500mm EF lens. . If something goes wrong with in years from now, worry about how to get it fixed at that time. . And if it can't be fixed, then replace it at that time. . Odds are that it never breaks even after another 20 years of use. And if it does happen to break, you will be able to replace it with another old 500mm EF lens that you get for a song, and then use that one until it breaks. . One or two old 500mm EF lenses will outlast you - meaning that you will be dead before you have more than one or two of them break and need to be replaced.

Future-proofing is usually a very wasteful and inefficient use of money. . The people who buy old things, use them until they have nothing left to give, then replace them with another already old thing - are the ones who get far more for their dollar. . There will always be old, long-ago-discontinued lenses available for a song via eBay, classifieds, and Craigslist. . Use that to your advantage.
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For real this time? . LOL. . I seem to remember you saying this years ago, and then it never happened ...... forgive me if I remember incorrectly.

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Yup. My health issues leaves me no choice
Its been one hell of a ride

umphotography wrote in post #19346432
the R lens are not that much better ( if at all ) especially with the super telephotos.....500F4's​, 400 F/2.8, 400 DO and 600F4's in EF mounts are not going to get better with an R mount put on them....and thats exactly what canon is doing with the super telephotos. they are switching the mounts

it would be interesting to compare the part catalogs from the RF lenses to see exactly what the internal differences are...

I started buying EF lenses back in the 90's. I have 20-ish different EF, EF-S and EF-M lenses now. In 20 years, I've had to send 2 in for repair. Once support is actually unavailable from Canon or anyone else, then I'll worry about what lenses are current. In the meantime, I've adapted EF-to-R and I don't even think about buying RF yet. I'll get there, but I just don't feel that need given how well adapted lenses are working.

On the other hand, I think I still have a FD-mount lens laying around somewhere. I'm pretty sure that's actually out of support now...

Canon just refused to fix the aperture diaphragm on my 24-70 f 2.8 v1.

They say it’s too old and they don’t stock the parts.

ToyotaGlock wrote in post #19351689
Canon just refused to fix the aperture diaphragm on my 24-70 f 2.8 v1.

They say it’s too old and they don’t stock the parts.

I had the ribboncable replaced in my 24-70mm about 6 months ago by an independent tech. Some parts are avail but Canon are just covering their butt in case they break something they can't replace.

joeseph wrote in post #19351715
I had the ribboncable replaced in my 24-70mm about 6 months ago by an independent tech. Some parts are avail but Canon are just covering their butt in case they break something they can't replace.

Royal Camera in Hanover Park offered to fix it and they claim they have the parts and it’s Canon OEM. We will see.

My thoughts are that Canon won't create any new lenses but will continue to manufacture their existing lenses. Obviously years down the road they will be cancelled just like the pre-EOS mount lenses. I say this because I feel there are enough SLR camera bodies in use and many of those users aren't switching to mirrorless immediately. May be wishful thinking but I hope that's the case.

ToyotaGlock wrote in post #19351689
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Canon just refused to fix the aperture diaphragm on my 24-70 f 2.8 v1.

They say it’s too old and they don’t stock the parts.
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You could call Ron in Spokane, Washington or Mark in Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. . They both have repaired cameras and lenses for me. . Much more skilled and less expensive than the rip-off Canon Service Centers, where many of the repair techs don't know what they're doing and where they charge an arm and a leg for everything they do.

Just send me a PM if you're interested in contact info for good independent repair guys. . They're pretty good at sourcing parts, even parts that Canon won't supply anymore ... although there are no guarantees.

Canon is actually the last place I would ever consider sending a Canon lens or camera for repair ... LOL

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cristphoto wrote in post #19353161
My thoughts are that Canon won't create any new lenses but will continue to manufacture their existing lenses. Obviously years down the road they will be cancelled just like the pre-EOS mount lenses. I say this because I feel there are enough SLR camera bodies in use and many of those users aren't switching to mirrorless immediately. May be wishful thinking but I hope that's the case.

The Canon installed base might be large, but I suspect that there are not many who are upgrading EF/EF-S lenses. When peeking at CPIA data for lenses, the total volume between all manufacturers (3rd party included) has fallen to about 800k a month. It sounds big but when you factor in that that is the total volume, not just Canon, Canon's share is a lot smaller.

gjl711 wrote in post #19353179
The Canon installed base might be large, but I suspect that there are not many who are upgrading EF/EF-S lenses. When peeking at CPIA data for lenses, the total volume between all manufacturers (3rd party included) has fallen to about 800k a month. It sounds big but when you factor in that that is the total volume, not just Canon, Canon's share is a lot smaller.

I was at a photography conference last week and two of the bigger USA photo retailers were in attendance. The owner of one was actually in attendance. He told me Canon was their biggest market today and had been since the R6/R5 release.

The conference was a 3 day event for landscape and wildlife photography attended by over 600 people. On the last day Canon presented on Advanced Exposure Techniques with Canon Cameras about 2/3rds of the attendees.

My reading of the current CPIA numbers looks like Canon still has a large market share on new camera sells.

Edshropshire wrote in post #19353320
I was at a photography conference last week and two of the bigger USA photo retailers were in attendance. The owner of one was actually in attendance. He told me Canon was their biggest market today and had been since the R6/R5 release.

The conference was a 3 day event for landscape and wildlife photography attended by over 600 people. On the last day Canon presented on Advanced Exposure Techniques with Canon Cameras about 2/3rds of the attendees.

My reading of the current CPIA numbers looks like Canon still has a large market share on new camera sells.

I didn't know CPIA broke it down by manufacturer. What do I have to look at to see that?

I did find a few sources that does break things down and Canon's total share as of Aug 2021 was just under %48 but that includes P/S, compacts, SLRs, and mirrorless.