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Jun 21, 2022 17:29 |  #1

Prices of video cards and memory are coming down so I think I may build myself a new pc. This is what I am thinking about. It has been a long time since I built my own system. Things have changed some. I will only be editing photos and some videos here and there so this may be overkill but I don't want to build a new one for several years. My monitor is a 1440 resolution. I also want to get good transfer speeds from my cfexpress cards. I was wanting to stay around $2000. This came to $2500 on Newegg. What do you computer savvy builders think?
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Jun 22, 2022 22:42 |  #2

I think you should have something that will hold up for many years. It's the bleeding edge of CPU and memory (that will take advantage of Windows 11's optimization for 12th Gen Intel CPUs). I'm a bit of a traditionalist: if you are going to do a lot of video work, then perhaps bump up the RAM size compared to your CPU core count. Traditionally you did have to think about each core having that percentage of RAM. With new CPUs, it's getting more of a gray area (as they have "performance" vs "efficiency" cores that switch on and off depending on tasks). Are you doing 4K HDR type videos? If so, I'd say maybe consider 64GB for that CPU. If not, this system is above and beyond what would be needed now. When it comes to cfexpress: it's easily handled with any USB 3.1x2 interface (so these days, any USB-C port on a new computer will have enough bandwidth for any iteration).


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Jun 23, 2022 05:49 |  #3

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I think you should have something that will hold up for many years. It's the bleeding edge of CPU and memory (that will take advantage of Windows 11's optimization for 12th Gen Intel CPUs). I'm a bit of a traditionalist: if you are going to do a lot of video work, then perhaps bump up the RAM size compared to your CPU core count. Traditionally you did have to think about each core having that percentage of RAM. With new CPUs, it's getting more of a gray area (as they have "performance" vs "efficiency" cores that switch on and off depending on tasks). Are you doing 4K HDR type videos? If so, I'd say maybe consider 64GB for that CPU. If not, this system is above and beyond what would be needed now. When it comes to cfexpress: it's easily handled with any USB 3.1x2 interface (so these days, any USB-C port on a new computer will have enough bandwidth for any iteration).

Thanks for the reply. I won't do much 4k stuff. My wife has a handycam 4k and shoots some video when we go out to Yellowstone. I shoot a handful of 4k stuff on my R5. I may just go ahead and add the extra ram anyway. I will do some shopping around on prices before I pull the trigger. I won't do the build until middle of July.




  
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Jun 23, 2022 07:57 |  #4

NNut, what software do you use for photo develop/editing?


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Jun 23, 2022 09:47 |  #5

chuckmiller wrote in post #19395093 (external link)
NNut, what software do you use for photo develop/editing?

Photoshop and DXO PureRAW




  
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Jun 23, 2022 10:31 |  #6

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Photoshop and DXO PureRAW

I use LR so I cannot speak to DXO. But I can say that LR uses the processor far far far more than it uses the GPU, especially when it is building previews and exporting files.

When you get your system going look for Gigabyte Aorus Engine. It calculates how much your Gigabyte Aorus video card GPU can be overclocked. I have the Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2080 and the app boosts it's performance by several times just momentarily when something hits the GPU.


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Jun 23, 2022 14:06 |  #7

When I run a photo through DXO PureRAW it takes about 30 seconds to finish. I wonder how much faster this process will be?




  
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Jun 23, 2022 14:41 |  #8

Nascar Nut wrote in post #19395265 (external link)
When I run a photo through DXO PureRAW it takes about 30 seconds to finish. I wonder how much faster this process will be?

What is your current CPU, motherboard, and RAM?

If it"s older I'd bet it will be significantly faster.


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Jun 23, 2022 15:52 |  #9

I just finished a new build a month and change ago. Coming from an i7-4790k based system with 32gb RAM to a Ryzen 9 5900x 64gb one. Since GPUs were still pricey, I reused my Nvidia GTX-960 2 gb card for now. LRC and PS are way faster. Using Topaz DeNoise plugin, used to take nearly 2 minutes to process an R5 file, now takes less than a minute, and 5D4 / 7D2 files finish in 30 seconds. Not sure the old GPU will hold up for 4k editing, but so far I don't do much of that.


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Jun 23, 2022 18:42 |  #10

chuckmiller wrote in post #19395286 (external link)
What is your current CPU, motherboard, and RAM?

If it"s older I'd bet it will be significantly faster.

Ryzen 7 1700X eight core
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Not sure what the motherboard is. I bought this prebuilt. It is a Dell Inspiron 5675. Video cards were so high priced that it was a lot cheaper to buy this dell then build one.




  
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Jun 23, 2022 20:27 |  #11

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Ryzen 7 1700X eight core
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Not sure what the motherboard is. I bought this prebuilt. It is a Dell Inspiron 5675. Video cards were so high priced that it was a lot cheaper to buy this dell then build one.

Far from horrible but 5 years old. I think your new machine will be dramatically faster at processing images.


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Jun 25, 2022 01:54 |  #12

Hi

My 2 pence.

Keep some memory slots free, to allow future expansion. But pay attention to the optimal interleaving configuration, which depends on the number of memory channels on the processor.

You probably don’t need a 1200W power supply. Power supplies are more efficient at higher loads.

Enjoy your new build!




  
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Jun 25, 2022 02:26 |  #13

Take a look at the i7 12700k, doesn't run as hot and performs very well i7 12700k vs R9 5900 comparison ( https://www.youtube.co​m/watch (external link) ) , and more cost effective for the build. i9 12900k gives you about 15% more performance but doubles your cost. The integrated graphics helps with video. https://www.newegg.com …2th-gen/p/N82E16819118343 (external link)

The RAM decision is next though. DDR5 vs DDR4. 4 is cheaper, and more practical for now, and your MB can only run one or the other. Plus DDR5 cannot yet run the promised speeds. They've been working through a lot of the DDR5 problems but there are special settings needed sometimes to prevent endless rebooting loops.

You really don't need to run with the Z690 series MB unless you really need all the IO ports. The H670 series should be able to meet your needs. The ASRock Steel Legend H670 LGA 1700 atx MB might be a good fit. Currently $15 off at Newegg. https://www.newegg.com​/p/N82E16813162043 (external link)

GPU, unless you're gaming too, try the ASUS RTX 3050 8gb. Although Adobe is starting to use the GPU now, it's still not really heavy. And if you're doing light video that should be enough. https://www.newegg.com …050-o8g/p/N82E16814126557 (external link)

As for cooling the Vetroo V5 air cooler works well in the testing I've seen for the i7, and if you're not planning on overclocking the CPU this should be enough without the hassle of water cooling. https://www.newegg.com​/vetroo-v5/p/13C-00F3-00002 (external link)

For your M2 drives look at the Teamgroup Cardea Zero Z440 1tb drive. I've learned that it's not so much what speed it runs, they all can run fast, it's how much data they can empty and fill per use that matters this drive can fill and empty almost the entire card daily, for 5 years. A good backup is the WD Blue SN550 series, also 1tb. https://www.newegg.com …440-1tb/p/N82E16820331429 (external link)

As for RAM, for now it might be better to use DDR4 since the speeds aren't up there for the R5 yet, and the best sync between the CPU and RAM is I believe maximum of 4000.

Case, NZXT H510 mid tower, or the Corsair 4000D Airflow ($10 off at Newegg)

PSU EVGA 650 GQ 210-G2-0650-V1 gold modular looks good and is $50 off at Newegg. https://www.newegg.com …v1-650w/p/N82E16817438059 (external link)

For your OS I'd look to some of the YouTube channels like JayzTwoCents (not affiliated in any way) where he has codes much cheaper for the Windows OS. Plus he has a walk through on how to keep Microsoft from skimming all your info to sell to the highest bidder thru windows 11. https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=s1wqOHo9Lb0 (external link)




  
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Jun 25, 2022 09:25 |  #14

goalerjones wrote in post #19395906 (external link)
Take a look at the i7 12700k, doesn't run as hot and performs very well i7 12700k vs R9 5900 comparison ( https://www.youtube.co​m/watch (external link) ) , and more cost effective for the build. i9 12900k gives you about 15% more performance but doubles your cost. The integrated graphics helps with video. https://www.newegg.com …2th-gen/p/N82E16819118343 (external link)

The RAM decision is next though. DDR5 vs DDR4. 4 is cheaper, and more practical for now, and your MB can only run one or the other. Plus DDR5 cannot yet run the promised speeds. They've been working through a lot of the DDR5 problems but there are special settings needed sometimes to prevent endless rebooting loops.

You really don't need to run with the Z690 series MB unless you really need all the IO ports. The H670 series should be able to meet your needs. The ASRock Steel Legend H670 LGA 1700 atx MB might be a good fit. Currently $15 off at Newegg. https://www.newegg.com​/p/N82E16813162043 (external link)

GPU, unless you're gaming too, try the ASUS RTX 3050 8gb. Although Adobe is starting to use the GPU now, it's still not really heavy. And if you're doing light video that should be enough. https://www.newegg.com …050-o8g/p/N82E16814126557 (external link)

As for cooling the Vetroo V5 air cooler works well in the testing I've seen for the i7, and if you're not planning on overclocking the CPU this should be enough without the hassle of water cooling. https://www.newegg.com​/vetroo-v5/p/13C-00F3-00002 (external link)

For your M2 drives look at the Teamgroup Cardea Zero Z440 1tb drive. I've learned that it's not so much what speed it runs, they all can run fast, it's how much data they can empty and fill per use that matters this drive can fill and empty almost the entire card daily, for 5 years. A good backup is the WD Blue SN550 series, also 1tb. https://www.newegg.com …440-1tb/p/N82E16820331429 (external link)

As for RAM, for now it might be better to use DDR4 since the speeds aren't up there for the R5 yet, and the best sync between the CPU and RAM is I believe maximum of 4000.

Case, NZXT H510 mid tower, or the Corsair 4000D Airflow ($10 off at Newegg)

PSU EVGA 650 GQ 210-G2-0650-V1 gold modular looks good and is $50 off at Newegg. https://www.newegg.com …v1-650w/p/N82E16817438059 (external link)

For your OS I'd look to some of the YouTube channels like JayzTwoCents (not affiliated in any way) where he has codes much cheaper for the Windows OS. Plus he has a walk through on how to keep Microsoft from skimming all your info to sell to the highest bidder thru windows 11. https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=s1wqOHo9Lb0 (external link)

Thanks for your detailed reply. I was actually considering the i7 12700k when I started putting together a build as it wasn't that much slower. I was going with the DDR5 just because it was the latest. I hadn't read up on the DDR5 vs DDR4. You brought up some good points. As for the video card, I will probably stay with the one on my list of something similar. Photoshop doesn't even kick the fans on with my current GPU but DxoPurRAW sure does. Seems like it is using the GPU a lot. I am a wildlife photographer and always shooting in poor light so my ISO is usually high so I use PurRaw a lot. You definitely saved me some money with your suggestions.




  
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Jun 27, 2022 22:50 |  #15

Have you thought about waiting until Nvidia's new GPU's are announced later this year? I've been kind of dragging my feet at a Windows build even though the 3000 series GPU's are finally in stock, since I heard and am seeing prices continue to drop over time and is speculated to do so especially with the announcement and production of 4000 series GPU's


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