Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

GAJoe wrote in post #19396757
A good real world birding video:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=0KRuoSyWqZ4

Man these 4000 ISO shots look really really good. They were at F/7.1......he says the files are noisy...but the 6400 file looks great to me

F/2.8 - F/4 fixed glass users have probably found their wildlife camera

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19396788
I agree it is an odd departure for Canon, from DSLR and by the sound of it from other R bodies.

Is this an experiment or a change for future bodies? (Rhetorical).

I suspect it is forced by the adoption of the camera size and fitting the inards in.

I expect we will get used to it.

I think shooting multiple bodies might be an issue.

I know going between my current set of 7D, 7DII and 6D can cause me some confusion, the differences between those are minor compared to the R7.

Hmmm here is my “prediction”…

Thinking back to the original R, which did some things REALLY great but also had some head scratcher features (Mfn bar). It came out at a reasonable price point and flew off the shelves. It was well received and also strongly questioned, and very soon after the RP, R5, and R6 came out with R5/6 making big strides over the original R. More “conventional” control layouts and refined features, with bigger price tags. BAM! Home runs on both the R5 and R6.

I think the R7 might be a APS-C “market test” of sorts that was relatively cheap to design using pre-existing bits and pieces along with some “new ideas” (control layout) to make it somewhat fresh and “different” and get out quick since Nikon released their APS-C bodies and Canon wants to see if that market is worth the effort. Especially given the price point of $1500 body only.

As others pointed out that is $400 BELOW the 7D2 release price and $500 or so below the “expected” release price of $2000+ that people were guessing at/hoping for during the rumor phase. If it is well received, and I think it will be I wouldn’t be surprised to see a new, more refined APS-C model soon with more “traditional” features expected on a 7D2 level “replacement”.

“Normal” control layout, designed to use a grip, better weather sealing and the “extra” $500 in the price to make production worthwhile.

The R7 may just be a teaser or appetizer for what is yet to come….

Or I could be completely wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time

umphotography wrote in post #19396998
Man these 4000 ISO shots look really really good. They were at F/7.1......he says the files are noisy...but the 6400 file looks great to me

F/2.8 - F/4 fixed glass users have probably found their wildlife camera

Check out this comparison of R7 vs R5:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fGxbx-iwj8U

so i had been getting really close to getting the r5 from the 90D...but now after this introduction, i figured i'd wait to see how things shape up. to me it just appeared like a 90D with an R mount, and better AF...but it seems like it may be a bit more than just that. it's really got me thinking to go R7, get a speedbooster for the days i wish i had gone for the FF

LoneRider wrote in post #19397087
Hmmm here is my “prediction”…

Thinking back to the original R, which did some things REALLY great but also had some head scratcher features (Mfn bar). It came out at a reasonable price point and flew off the shelves. It was well received and also strongly questioned, and very soon after the RP, R5, and R6 came out with R5/6 making big strides over the original R. More “conventional” control layouts and refined features, with bigger price tags. BAM! Home runs on both the R5 and R6.

I think the R7 might be a APS-C “market test” of sorts that was relatively cheap to design using pre-existing bits and pieces along with some “new ideas” (control layout) to make it somewhat fresh and “different” and get out quick since Nikon released their APS-C bodies and Canon wants to see if that market is worth the effort. Especially given the price point of $1500 body only.

As others pointed out that is $400 BELOW the 7D2 release price and $500 or so below the “expected” release price of $2000+ that people were guessing at/hoping for during the rumor phase. If it is well received, and I think it will be I wouldn’t be surprised to see a new, more refined APS-C model soon with more “traditional” features expected on a 7D2 level “replacement”.

“Normal” control layout, designed to use a grip, better weather sealing and the “extra” $500 in the price to make production worthwhile.

The R7 may just be a teaser or appetizer for what is yet to come….

Or I could be completely wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time

I agree with all this.

Another way of looking at it is the R7 has been delibratly limited so a higher priced model can be launched later.

Another is to make an afordable APS-C to stimulate sales of RF wildlife lenses.

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19397192
I agree with all this.

Another way of looking at it is the R7 has been delibratly limited so a higher priced model can be launched later.

Another is to make an afordable APS-C to stimulate sales of RF wildlife lenses.

That would be the R10 LOL

gossamer88 wrote in post #19397209
That would be the R10 LOL

Yeah, that is the odd thing.

Lester Wareham wrote in post #19397192
I agree with all this.

Another way of looking at it is the R7 has been delibratly limited so a higher priced model can be launched later.

Another is to make an afordable APS-C to stimulate sales of RF wildlife lenses.

I have been using the R7 for 2 days now and the AF is WOW

I am leaning towards buying one realizing that when the next gen R7 comes out I would trade up. Being 69 I can't just sit and wait for the R9II

Yes, like in the past with the R5/R6, the comment has been often "it's like cheating" with animal photography with eye AF.

Dave63401 wrote in post #19396994
Good find! Do you have to continue holding it, or just 1 time, then use dial?

I'm not sure but since the the QC Dial has been moved up toward the top it should be easy to press the ISO button with the index finger, while rotating the QC Dial with the thumb???

You don't have to hold the ISO button. Once you press it and release the dial controls ISO adjustment until a half-press of the release. Some one else posted that. Sorry I can't reference the page that it's found on.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19397250
Yes, like in the past with the R5/R6, the comment has been often "it's like cheating" with animal photography with eye AF.

I remember when some people said the same thing about autofocus. Probably in-camera AE too, but that was before my time.

GAJoe wrote in post #19397101
Check out this comparison of R7 vs R5:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=fGxbx-iwj8U

That's an excellent review on the ISO performance, thanks for posting.
I had done some comparisons with online sample RAWs from the r7 and the r5 which I was considering buying. I found there was very little difference in the noise - certainly not enough to warrant the difference in price for me..

The noise is also very clean, and easy to process out while retaining detail - and there's definitely a huge difference when processing in DPP compared to Adobe.

DPP honors your camera settings for "High ISO NR" and that is likely why DPP "looks" cleaner with some results. However, I can guarantee you that DPP NR isn't superior to all the other NR tools that are out there too.

However if you are a person that likes to get things set up in camera and then do minimal post, then do that and just use the JPG from the camera. DPP will create the same results, as its code base incorporates the firmware running in the camera. If you want the best, you will want to tell DPP to not honor in camera settings, or at least set the NR sliders to zero, and then post process the resulting JPG files, or use a different raw/JPG workflow.

This is why it is so difficult to gauge how well the R7 works because invariably image files shared have gone through something that processed it, whether DPP, LR, etc.

Photons To Photos now has support for the R7, it is so very close to the 90D as expected. Interesting behavior though at whole ISO vs intermediate at the lower ISOs. Blue is R7... At the maximum DR, there is maybe a 1/3 stop DR more with the R7 at lower ISOs.

Shadow Improvement however shows that they are doing something differently under the covers with the R7, I believe, based on the delta between the 90D and R7.