Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

And one more, again very close to the 90D which was really expected I think and nothing wrong with that all. Perhaps a tweaked sensor design along with some extra software to help out, I feel.

This particular chart does show the R7 to eek out any previous APS-C body, so that is good. I don't expect any major improvements in any future APS-C unless Canon can make a go of it with their BSI.

Good news though from a data perspective I feel for read noise from the system itself, any improvement is worth it.

LoneRider wrote in post #19397087
The R7 may just be a teaser or appetizer for what is yet to come….

I can't see this being the case. Where would it be placed in their current line up numbering system? Couldn't be a R4 as that would place it higher than the R5 and so better and presumably, more expensive. Lower than the R7 then that wouldn't make sense if it was a better camera. The only other alternative is to give it it's own seperate numbering/naming system which would just be messy and confusing. The R7 is technologically better than the 7Dii in everyway. The closest anyone is going to get to a mirrorless canon 7Dii will be a R7ii, but why wait? Enjoy the amazing abilities of this version of the camera.

As for having 'traditional features'. Normal control layout looks like will be reserved for R5 and higher line of cameras. I've no doubt a battery girp will be on it's way but for the chip shortages they had to prioritise. It's not as if it can't take a grip. I had a 30D and later a 80D and never had an issue with their weather sealing despite taking them out in snow, rain and salty, sandy windswept beaches.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19397250
Yes, like in the past with the R5/R6, the comment has been often "it's like cheating" with animal photography with eye AF.

The r7 with my few hours with it I can tell that the AF is way better than my r6 it is stickier and grabbing the animals eyes really quick, song birds and chipmunks in our backyard and it doesn’t miss. it does identify the eyes with white/lighter square on the eye without pressing the AF buttons and when you do that square turn into blue.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19397408
And one more, again very close to the 90D which was really expected I think and nothing wrong with that all. Perhaps a tweaked sensor design along with some extra software to help out, I feel.

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from what I have seen from my rental R7 so far is that it is the 90D mark II. or call it a mirrorless 90D.

I always felt the 90D needed the AF from the 7DII, different AF on different buttons, R7 has it. To me so far it is also cleaner than the 90D. 1600-2000 ISO was pretty much it with the 90D ISO 3200 with 90D lost sharpness. R7 I have gotten good results at 6400.

AF superior, ISO superior

Body size is a real issue, too small for my XL hands. That is my biggest nit.

I have it for 8 more days to give it a good workout. I think I have shot about 4,000 plus images so far.

It does struggle with birds against cluttered backgrounds that are too close, but if they are in the sky or away from clutter it snaps on.

Pics and more thoughts to follow

Peter2516 wrote in post #19397453
The r7 with my few hours with it I can tell that the AF is way better than my r6 it is stickier and grabbing the animals eyes really quick, song birds and chipmunks in our backyard and it doesn’t miss. it does identify the eyes with white/lighter square on the eye without pressing the AF buttons and when you do that square turn into blue.

Peter, that sounds like the same focus preview that the R6 has (white box on eyes without pressing any buttons, then turns blue when you press the AF button). Maybe you had that turned off on your R6?

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397463
Peter, that sounds like the same focus preview that the R6 has (white box on eyes without pressing any buttons, then turns blue when you press the AF button). Maybe you had that turned off on your R6?

Turned off? Isn’t it turned on if you’re using face tracking?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19397409
This particular chart does show the R7 to eek out any previous APS-C body, so that is good. I don't expect any major improvements in any future APS-C unless Canon can make a go of it with their BSI.

Good news though from a data perspective I feel for read noise from the system itself, any improvement is worth it.

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Log2 values? I see the range as being 13 electrons (7D2) down to 4 electrons (R7) read noise worst case. Considering a pixel can hold anywhere from 10,000 to 500,000 electrons depending on its full well capacity (ref 1), I doubt we will see much difference. The difference between 13 electrons and 4 out of 10,000 isn't much and the full well capacity of our cameras are likely higher. In dark areas, there are likely other sources of noise that make more difference.

Ref 1: https://specinstcamera​s.com/what-is-a-ccd/ I'm assuming full well capacity for a CMOS is similar to a CCD sensor.

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19397461
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Body size is a real issue, too small for my XL hands. That is my biggest nit.

Is the R5 bigger?

chuckmiller wrote in post #19397483
Is the R5 bigger?

Yes. Plus it can take battery grip.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397463
Peter, that sounds like the same focus preview that the R6 has (white box on eyes without pressing any buttons, then turns blue when you press the AF button). Maybe you had that turned off on your R6?

Hi Levina that would be great if I have that on my R6. I don’t see it in the AF menu. On the R7 aside from AF point, like for me I use AF center point that’s stay in middle but on R7 there is white square who continue to follow the eye than when you press your assigned focus button the centerpoint AF goes to the eye.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19397490
Hi Levina that would be great if I have that on my R6. I don’t see it in the AF menu.

Peter, you can set that in AF menu #5: Initial Servo AF pt. Set that to AUTO and you should see the white preview boxes.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397492
Peter, you can set that in AF menu #5: Initial Servo AF pt. Set that to AUTO and you should see the white preview boxes.

Thanks I will go check now. Wow I am missing this on my r6 for a while then . Thanks Levina

Mine was set to first option ha ha.

What else I need to switch. I just switched it to auto and all I have blue square track the eye.

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19397461
from what I have seen from my rental R7 so far is that it is the 90D mark II. or call it a mirrorless 90D.

I always felt the 90D needed the AF from the 7DII, different AF on different buttons, R7 has it. To me so far it is also cleaner than the 90D. 1600-2000 ISO was pretty much it with the 90D ISO 3200 with 90D lost sharpness. R7 I have gotten good results at 6400.

AF superior, ISO superior

Body size is a real issue, too small for my XL hands. That is my biggest nit.

I have it for 8 more days to give it a good workout. I think I have shot about 4,000 plus images so far.

It does struggle with birds against cluttered backgrounds that are too close, but if they are in the sky or away from clutter it snaps on.

Pics and more thoughts to follow

I still think you might like putting a hand strap on that camera, it will completely stabilize it and you will still have full control over all the buttons.

Something like this: https://www.amazon.com …d+strap%2Caps%2​C98&sr=8-5

Peter2516 wrote in post #19397494
Thanks I will go check now. Wow I am missing this on my r6 for a while then . Thanks Levina

These cameras are complex, Peter. Easy to overlook something.