Canon EOS R7 pre-sales discussion, hypothesizing, and prognosticating

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397496
These cameras are complex, Peter. Easy to overlook something.

Is that the same as subject tracking on R7? i have Subject tracking On and EYE detection on R7.

I still don’t see the white square blinking on the eye while the AF point (blue) in in the middle.

fma wrote in post #19397420
I can't see this being the case. Where would it be placed in their current line up numbering system? Couldn't be a R4 as that would place it higher than the R5 and so better and presumably, more expensive. Lower than the R7 then that wouldn't make sense if it was a better camera. The only other alternative is to give it it's own seperate numbering/naming system which would just be messy and confusing. The R7 is technologically better than the 7Dii in everyway. The closest anyone is going to get to a mirrorless canon 7Dii will be a R7ii, but why wait? Enjoy the amazing abilities of this version of the camera.

As for having 'traditional features'. Normal control layout looks like will be reserved for R5 and higher line of cameras. I've no doubt a battery girp will be on it's way but for the chip shortages they had to prioritise. It's not as if it can't take a grip. I had a 30D and later a 80D and never had an issue with their weather sealing despite taking them out in snow, rain and salty, sandy windswept beaches.

Hmmm….

1D, 1Ds, 1Dx come to mind. Maybe R7, R7s or R7x?

Don’t know, but I don’t see their naming convention being a limiting or deciding factor.

i-G12 wrote in post #19397466
Turned off? Isn’t it turned on if you’re using face tracking?

No, not necessarily. To get the white AF preview boxes the first entry in AF menu #5 needs to be set to AUTO.

Peter2516 wrote in post #19397503
Is that the same as subject tracking on R7? i have Subject tracking On and EYE detection on R7.

I still don’t see the white square blinking on the eye while the AF point (blue) in in the middle.

Menus of the R6 and R7 are different and the R7's AF system is a tad more sophisticated than that of the R6, but yes, it looks the same as on my R6.

Having said that, the R7 has this function where the Eye-AF searches within a certain set area. But, not having the camera yet, I don't know what that looks like.
What I do know is that on the R6, in order to get the white AF preview boxes, AF menu #5: "Initial Servo AF pt" needs to be set to AUTO.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19397495
I still think you might like putting a hand strap on that camera, it will completely stabilize it and you will still have full control over all the buttons.

Something like this: https://www.amazon.com …d+strap%2Caps%2​C98&sr=8-5

I bought a hand strap didn't like it. Slowly getting used to the small size

fma wrote in post #19397420
I can't see this being the case. Where would it be placed in their current line up numbering system? Couldn't be a R4 as that would place it higher than the R5 and so better and presumably, more expensive. Lower than the R7 then that wouldn't make sense if it was a better camera. The only other alternative is to give it it's own seperate numbering/naming system which would just be messy and confusing. The R7 is technologically better than the 7Dii in everyway. The closest anyone is going to get to a mirrorless canon 7Dii will be a R7ii, but why wait? Enjoy the amazing abilities of this version of the camera.

As for having 'traditional features'. Normal control layout looks like will be reserved for R5 and higher line of cameras. I've no doubt a battery girp will be on it's way but for the chip shortages they had to prioritise. It's not as if it can't take a grip. I had a 30D and later a 80D and never had an issue with their weather sealing despite taking them out in snow, rain and salty, sandy windswept beaches.

Battery grip. Close to zero chance. There are no contacts for a grip. So a grip would need to wirelessly connect to the body and there would be no place for the new wheel / joystick. A grip has been 'designed out'.

Makes all the more room for a more prosumer APSC…

You’re right, my mistake. It was just that I heard a Canon rep saying there was no current plans for a grip and not that it couldn’t have one.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397496
These cameras are complex, Peter. Easy to overlook something.

Thanks I finally figured it out. . Deym and I have the r6 for more than a year lol.

umphotography wrote in post #19396998
F/2.8 - F/4 fixed glass users have probably found their wildlife camera

I doubt it. People having that kind of glass usually shoot with high end cameras, not with lower level crop cameras.

Well I for one plan to be shooting 300/2.8 with this crop camera.

And if this performance were coupled with better non-image related qualities like weather sealing and ergonomics, no one would be referring to it as a lower level crop. And as it is, it might only be you.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397734
I doubt it. People having that kind of glass usually shoot with high end cameras, not with lower level crop cameras.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397734
I doubt it. People having that kind of glass usually shoot with high end cameras, not with lower level crop cameras.

I will have a 500F4 and a 150-600 glued to it until I can get my hands on a 400DO....I think people with fast 300 and 400 super teles are going to jump all over this camera. Its going to be a nice light set up for BIF's and hiking about when shooting wildlife....for my needs its going to be perfect

I wonder when the kit lenses will start showing up in the For Sale section.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19397734
I doubt it. People having that kind of glass usually shoot with high end cameras, not with lower level crop cameras.

Wrong - Some of us prefer APS-C to Full Frame. Personally I don't think I will ever go back to Full Frame, for 2 reasons:

1) I don't like the larger camera bodies, I find the bulkier grips uncomfortable to hold
2) I hardly ever use a tripod in the field. With APS-C it allows me to go out with a shorter focal length wider aperture lens with associated weight to get closer shots handheld. For example the f4 300mm L IS lens I use today.

The issue I have at the moment is that my said 300mm EF L lens doesn't seem to play too nice with my R7 when tracking birds in flight. It could be early days, but I've had greater success with my EF 70-200 L F4 IS so far.

Achronite wrote in post #19397761
Wrong - Some of us prefer APS-C to Full Frame. Personally I don't think I will ever go back to Full Frame, for 2 reasons:

1) I don't like the larger camera bodies, I find the bulkier grips uncomfortable to hold
2) I hardly ever use a tripod in the field. With APS-C it allows me to go out with a shorter focal length wider aperture lens with associated weight to get closer shots handheld. For example the f4 300mm L IS lens I use today.

The issue I have at the moment is that my said 300mm EF L lens doesn't seem to play too nice with my R7 when tracking birds in flight. It could be early days, but I've had greater success with my EF 70-200 L F4 IS so far.

My friend has a 400D0 version 2 and he used a version 2 2XTC and a 1.4...same as you...hand holds everything. Doesnt even own a tripod...his work is great....my 500F4 gets heavy hand holding so Im looking at a 400 D0 for exact reasons as you state. Surprised you are having issues with that 300F4

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19397735
Well I for one plan to be shooting 300/2.8 with this crop camera.

And if this performance were coupled with better non-image related qualities like weather sealing and ergonomics, no one would be referring to it as a lower level crop. And as it is, it might only be you.

That’s just it, the R7 doesn’t have all that. Maybe a R7II will, and will hopefully have a more pro button layout. Do you really think of the R7 as a high end camera? For $ 1600 and lacking everything you listed above, that would make it so? Yes, it has a kick-ass AF system but that alone doesn’t make it high end.

What I don’t get is why you are or seem offended by my remark. Nothing wrong with buying an R7. I pre-ordered one. It will be a great companion to my also relatively humble R6.