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Jul 21, 2022 09:09 |  #2791

Pippan wrote in post #19406724 (external link)
It's a truly great camera. So underestimated.


markesc wrote in post #19406802 (external link)
It really is. I'm continually lost/amazed, almost "conspiracy theorist" about all those bad reviews - were they simply paid Canon insiders that wanted to push people to more expensive models? Like they owned the 70d-80d, were "experts / I know everything about everything" and then... dun dun d uuuuuuu n: Got the 90d and went from expert to Amoeba status? Maybe they got amnesia upon opening the box?!

Even Brian - on 'The Digital Picture' has clearly out of focus shots on his noise testing with the 90d. It took me a grand total of 15 seconds to dial in +2 for micro adjustment on my 100-400II. Done. Never looked back, never spent decades second guessing, I didn't need charts, I didn't have to get online and ask 552,000 questions, etc.... BOOM DONE movin on!

80d vs 90d:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com …4&TestComp=0&IS​OComp=1600 (external link)

90d vs R:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com …4&TestComp=0&IS​OComp=1600 (external link)

90d vs R5:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com …4&TestComp=0&IS​OComp=1600 (external link)

My personal fave as of late: The "R" ( $1599 on Amazon right now or somewhere else if you dislike Amazon for obvious reasons ) VS. the R5:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com …8&TestComp=0&IS​OComp=6400 (external link)

I picked ISO 6400 as - for Astro, that's about where you'd want to be - ISO 6400 F2.8 10-13 seconds at 15mm ( the "500 rule" in my opinion is far too deficient, so once you go longer than 15 seconds you have streaks instead of stars). Yes, the R5 is quantitatively "better" BUT - Is it $2300 "better" if you're doing boring/old fashion/slow moving landscape shots that will most likely NEVER be published by National Geographic, even though, everyone has this fantasy of getting that phone call: "We saw you're work, it's SO groundbreaking, we want to send you BILLIONS of dollars... NO, actually, we want to send you TRILLIONS of dollars!!..."  :p :p :p

Back to the 90d:

I have been noticing this going on for a while now: Every "new" thing that comes out = "better" I really take the youtubers with a grain of salt, and really, they're just now after views/subscribers rather than accurate dissemination of information. My fave youtubers are the ones that will actually take a more skeptical approach.

It's like this: Do you need a 750hp Porsche to sit in stop/go traffic to go to Costco?

For me: The only reason I got the R5 was solely for the Astro work, and trips back to AZ for birds/horses. Otherwise, if one is not doing any of those activities/subject matters - the 90d is fine, or heck, you can pickup the "R" for $1599 right now, and gain some efficiency that way.. :-D I like the idea of a cheaper camera that "annoys" the more expensive cameras.


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I'm another happy 90D user. I use it mostly for macro and it is fantastic for that.


I love my 90D however I did buy the R7, having used it for a month now it is a 90D MARK II

What do I like about the 90D?

OVF - the optical viewfinder
Battery Grip
status screen on top of camera
battery life

What don't I like?

inability to set multiple AF modes on the back buttons, the 7DII and 5DIV allows the AF-ON to be 45 point AF while "*" is set to single point
smaller than 5DIV and 7DII

What do I like about the R7?

The AF system!! Animal Eye AF, being able to set each button to different AF modes. I use the shutter button for full AF over the entire EVF the AF-ON to spot and the "*" to no AF It will get a birds eye or head at 100 yards, when I snap shoot as a bird suddenly appears it will lock onto the bird within limitations.

The new "wheel" for the F stops, fits my thumb well.
Dual SD Cards
15 FPS mechanical 15 or 30 electronic and ability to set a sound as quiet or loud as you want for the ES
control ring on RF lenses and on EF-RF adapter to control, for me I use it to change either ISO or the exposure value (+ or -)
Grip is deep enough to hold well
better ISO performance than the 90D - 6,400 even 12,800 can be used.

what don't I like
the height of the camera it is too small my pinky hangs below
so so battery life, I routinely get about 1000 shots before I must think about changing the battery (carry a spare)
EVF - not as nice as an optical view finder - but you can see you exposure before shooting or set it to simulated OVF

biggest nit was the height of the camera, too short but I solved that by creating a "battery" grip, basically a grip extension by taking a BG-E2 and cutting the part that goes into the camera off. Only downside is you have to remove it to change the battery slowing that down, but my typical pond side visit is about 2-3 hours and I have yet to kill a battery even with 1500 shots.

I am keeping my 90D but it is a backup at this time.


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Jul 21, 2022 09:44 |  #2792

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19407132 (external link)
I love my 90D however I did buy the R7, having used it for a month now it is a 90D MARK II

What do I like about the 90D?

OVF - the optical viewfinder
Battery Grip
status screen on top of camera
battery life

What don't I like?

inability to set multiple AF modes on the back buttons, the 7DII and 5DIV allows the AF-ON to be 45 point AF while "*" is set to single point
smaller than 5DIV and 7DII

What do I like about the R7?

The AF system!! Animal Eye AF, being able to set each button to different AF modes. I use the shutter button for full AF over the entire EVF the AF-ON to spot and the "*" to no AF It will get a birds eye or head at 100 yards, when I snap shoot as a bird suddenly appears it will lock onto the bird within limitations.

The new "wheel" for the F stops, fits my thumb well.
Dual SD Cards
15 FPS mechanical 15 or 30 electronic and ability to set a sound as quiet or loud as you want for the ES
control ring on RF lenses and on EF-RF adapter to control, for me I use it to change either ISO or the exposure value (+ or -)
Grip is deep enough to hold well
better ISO performance than the 90D - 6,400 even 12,800 can be used.

what don't I like
the height of the camera it is too small my pinky hangs below
so so battery life, I routinely get about 1000 shots before I must think about changing the battery (carry a spare)
EVF - not as nice as an optical view finder - but you can see you exposure before shooting or set it to simulated OVF

biggest nit was the height of the camera, too short but I solved that by creating a "battery" grip, basically a grip extension by taking a BG-E2 and cutting the part that goes into the camera off. Only downside is you have to remove it to change the battery slowing that down, but my typical pond side visit is about 2-3 hours and I have yet to kill a battery even with 1500 shots.

I am keeping my 90D but it is a backup at this time.

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Thanks, Jeff! Your posts about the R7 and 90D are very useful.


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Jul 21, 2022 10:12 |  #2793

Archibald wrote in post #19407142 (external link)
Thanks, Jeff! Your posts about the R7 and 90D are very useful.

Although, I don't think the statement that the R7 has less noise than the 90D is true - that is probably more advanced Canon conversion processing. The DPR studio tool has the R7 now, and it looks indistinguishable from the 90D except that the 90D is converted with slightly more contrast.

The measured read noise in R7 RAWs is about 1/3 stop lower, but that seems to be only because the RAW data is scaled 1/3 stop lower, maybe with 1/3 stop more headroom.




  
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Jul 21, 2022 10:15 |  #2794

John Sheehy wrote in post #19407151 (external link)
Although, I don't think the statement that the R7 has less noise than the 90D is true - that is probably more advanced Canon conversion processing. The DPR studio tool has the R7 now, and it looks indistinguishable from the 90D except that the 90D is converted with slightly more contrast.

The measured read noise in R7 RAWs is about 1/3 stop lower, but that seems to be only because the RAW data is scaled 1/3 stop lower, maybe with 1/3 stop more headroom.

could be, but I really couldn't get good results with the 90D at 3,200 in the early morning. I can get 6,400 with the R7 at the same time of day


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Jul 21, 2022 10:18 |  #2795

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19407156 (external link)
could be, but I really couldn't get good results with the 90D at 3,200 in the early morning. I can get 6,400 with the R7 at the same time of day

There are so many wildcards in the real world; that's why controlled comparisons are necessary.




  
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Jul 21, 2022 17:39 |  #2796

Congrats!!!

I'm totally all over the R7 if/when I move somewhere that actually has wildlife!!

Curious if you see much of a different at ISO400 and 800 vs the 90d?

Generally I could use ISO400 all day long with the 100-400II for both birds and horses with the 90d... Seemed to be more noticeable noise >400, so if the R7 gives us 640-800 at the same noise = Bonus!

Sounds like your keeper rate will be outstanding with easier initial focus acquisition as well as all out speed!

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19407132 (external link)
I love my 90D however I did buy the R7, having used it for a month now it is a 90D MARK II

What do I like about the 90D?

OVF - the optical viewfinder
Battery Grip
status screen on top of camera
battery life

What don't I like?

inability to set multiple AF modes on the back buttons, the 7DII and 5DIV allows the AF-ON to be 45 point AF while "*" is set to single point
smaller than 5DIV and 7DII

What do I like about the R7?

The AF system!! Animal Eye AF, being able to set each button to different AF modes. I use the shutter button for full AF over the entire EVF the AF-ON to spot and the "*" to no AF It will get a birds eye or head at 100 yards, when I snap shoot as a bird suddenly appears it will lock onto the bird within limitations.

The new "wheel" for the F stops, fits my thumb well.
Dual SD Cards
15 FPS mechanical 15 or 30 electronic and ability to set a sound as quiet or loud as you want for the ES
control ring on RF lenses and on EF-RF adapter to control, for me I use it to change either ISO or the exposure value (+ or -)
Grip is deep enough to hold well
better ISO performance than the 90D - 6,400 even 12,800 can be used.

what don't I like
the height of the camera it is too small my pinky hangs below
so so battery life, I routinely get about 1000 shots before I must think about changing the battery (carry a spare)
EVF - not as nice as an optical view finder - but you can see you exposure before shooting or set it to simulated OVF

biggest nit was the height of the camera, too short but I solved that by creating a "battery" grip, basically a grip extension by taking a BG-E2 and cutting the part that goes into the camera off. Only downside is you have to remove it to change the battery slowing that down, but my typical pond side visit is about 2-3 hours and I have yet to kill a battery even with 1500 shots.

I am keeping my 90D but it is a backup at this time.

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Jul 21, 2022 18:19 |  #2797

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Congrats!!!

I'm totally all over the R7 if/when I move somewhere that actually has wildlife!!

Curious if you see much of a different at ISO400 and 800 vs the 90d?

Generally I could use ISO400 all day long with the 100-400II for both birds and horses with the 90d... Seemed to be more noticeable noise >400, so if the R7 gives us 640-800 at the same noise = Bonus!

Sounds like your keeper rate will be outstanding with easier initial focus acquisition as well as all out speed!


I posted a bunch of high ISO shots in the R7 thread here are some links I run all my Craw files through AI Denoise, usually on AUTO the LR

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19396945 ISO 6,400

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19396946 ISO 6,400


https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19397538 ISO 12,800

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19398352 ISO 12,800

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19398435 ISO 640


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Jul 22, 2022 09:28 as a reply to  @ post 19407125 |  #2798

I ended up ordering the Canon one. One other thing, when I go to the menu, under firmware it says 1.1.2 ...Isn't 1.1.1 the latest one?




  
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Jul 22, 2022 10:52 |  #2799

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I ended up ordering the Canon one. One other thing, when I go to the menu, under firmware it says 1.1.2 ...Isn't 1.1.1 the latest one?

mustache,

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Thank you, hopefully this weekend, weather permitting.




  
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Jul 22, 2022 11:39 |  #2801

Wow those are CLEAN!! Looks like it plays well with Topaz!!

I'm guessing the Topaz programming seems to like that higher pixel density. I've noticed that software seems to have a bigger impact on the 90d vs. the R5, then again - you have less information to work with on the R5 given the pixel pitch

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I posted a bunch of high ISO shots in the R7 thread here are some links I run all my Craw files through AI Denoise, usually on AUTO the LR

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19396945 ISO 6,400

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19396946 ISO 6,400

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19397538 ISO 12,800

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19398352 ISO 12,800

https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19398435 ISO 640


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Jul 23, 2022 15:53 |  #2802

Anyone upgrading their 2019 90D for a 2021 R10?


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Jul 23, 2022 19:17 |  #2803

markesc wrote in post #19407568 (external link)
Wow those are CLEAN!! Looks like it plays well with Topaz!!

I'm guessing the Topaz programming seems to like that higher pixel density. I've noticed that software seems to have a bigger impact on the 90d vs. the R5, then again - you have less information to work with on the R5 given the pixel pitch


It does great with the 90D but even better with the 90D Mark II... I mean R7


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Jul 23, 2022 21:36 |  #2804

Jeff USN Photog 72-76 wrote in post #19408095 (external link)
It does great with the 90D but even better with the 90D Mark II... I mean R7

Being a little playful there Jeff?? ;-)a  :p ;-)a  :p


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Jul 25, 2022 08:57 |  #2805

I’m looking for some recommendations based on everyone’s experiences, I’m really happy with the camera, just leaves something to be desired in the early mornings and evenings for most part I can get some reasonably good images I generally shoot wildlife, birds when the bigger mammals are not cooperating. This past weekend for instance I was after some elk pictures (I will post some when I get home tonight, before and after I ran through topaz denoise and some with sharpening). I’m running a ef 100-400 mk II I have a 1.4 III extender but very rarely use, my question for you guys is what is the best route to take with gaining a bit better early and late light performance and reduce having to crank up iso? Do I look for a used ef 400 2.8 or 4 (600mm wouldn’t be out of question either) and be able to also use the extender. Or do I jump to a r7 which will seem to give a bit better results from what I’ve gathered and use what I have with the adapter while gaining the better animal auto focus? I understand full frames are better for these scenarios but would 100% miss the reach of a crop sensor.




  
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