Post Processing Game

Stiga wrote in post #19420547
I don't have ON1 either
All my photo-editing software will read it but I have to say that the DxO lens correction and Deep Prime denoise are the best of the best

If you have ACR, go to the "Snapshots" panel and click "Unprocessed." That'll give you the original raw file.

Luminar Neo opens it just fine as does Affinity Photo.

Stiga wrote in post #19420290
Hmmm. These images are not SOOC, this is what I see when I loas them into DxO PL5

Further investigation reveals that they have all been manipulated in Lightroom.

Do we go ahead anyway or do you want to change them?

It is because the original raw file was converted to a DNG, i.e., the downloaded file is not the original raw file. DxO does not like DNGs. There is no compelling reason to distribute raw files as DNGs unless you need to embed ACR data inside the image file. Of course, if your camera shoots raw and saves the file to the memory card as a DNG, well, that's an exception.

I used DxO for a long time (version 6 up to PL3) but ended up changing over to Fujifilm gear, and then Leica. DxO does not support either (with very very few Fujifilm exceptions). If I recall, you can use DxO with a raw file to apply its NR and optical corrections and then export the resulting file as a linear DNG (it is demosaicked) for further processing in other raw converters. DxO won't even open these DNGs, the ones that it makes, if I am recalling experience accurately.

Kirk

Stiga wrote in post #19420547
I have to say that the DxO lens correction and Deep Prime denoise are the best of the best

Amen to that brother! See below.

kirkt wrote in post #19420598
It is because the original raw file was converted to a DNG, i.e., the downloaded file is not the original raw file. DxO does not like DNGs. There is no compelling reason to distribute raw files as DNGs unless you need to embed ACR data inside the image file. Of course, if your camera shoots raw and saves the file to the memory card as a DNG, well, that's an exception.

Yes, DxO is finicky about DNGs but it will open DNGs that are converted in LR and whose RAW files are supported. There's something else going on here these Photo Traces files might be CRAW, sRAW or mRAW which Dxo does not read.

kirkt wrote in post #19420598
I used DxO for a long time (version 6 up to PL3) but ended up changing over to Fujifilm gear, and then Leica. DxO does not support either (with very very few Fujifilm exceptions). If I recall, you can use DxO with a raw file to apply its NR and optical corrections and then export the resulting file as a linear DNG (it is demosaicked) for further processing in other raw converters. DxO won't even open these DNGs, the ones that it makes, if I am recalling experience accurately.

Kirk

You gave up one version too soon. This all changed with PL4 and PL5. DxO products now support Fuji X-Trans sensors and Fuji lenses. They will also open and allow edits of their own DNG files.

rrblint wrote in post #19420617
Yes, DxO is finicky about DNGs but it will open DNGs that are converted in LR and whose RAW files are supported. There's something else going on here these Photo Traces files might be CRAW, sRAW or mRAW which Dxo does not read.

You gave up one version too soon. This all changed with PL4 and PL5. DxO products now support Fuji X-Trans sensors and Fuji lenses. They will also open and allow edits of their own DNG files.

The DNG shows up on my machine as 10.7 MB, so there may be something funky going on with a compressed file format.

LOL. I was a beta tester for DxO for several years, including PL4, even when I owned only cameras that they did not support. It took them years to actually entertain the notion of supporting XTrans and, by that time, I gave up. I liked where DxO were headed, with the U-point local adjustments and all that; however, there are better options for me that are faster, higher quality, and work better with my files, so it's not really relevant for me any more. I shoot all Leica now, and I have not bothered with DxO since PL4 beta. Believe me, I am not a DxO hater - see attached image.

I would play with PRIME and DEEP PRIME when testing DxO products and it was sort of interesting but 99% unnecessary. I am really surprised at the modern day obsession over noise reduction - all of the AI doodads that get marketed at "eliminating" noise and creating details. I understand the need for specialized optical corrections sometimes, especially for particular subjects that demand accurate rendering of linear features, etc. But the NR thing I just don't understand - perhaps if you shoot birds in flight at 600mm and 1/2000s and need to use ISO 6400 - but then you have bigger fish to fry. When Topaz first started down the AI road I purchased what is now DeNoise and tested it for about a year and a half. It was atrocious. There were simple things that I would point out to them with examples, but they never responded or acknowledged any of my feedback. Maybe they have gotten their act together, who knows, but color me unimpressed. Between the NR in raw conversion, and Neat Image for more stubborn exceptional cases, I really do not need super crazy noise reduction tools so I may be ranting in left field here.

Anyway, the TL/DR version of my rambling post is - if you have to share a raw file, upload the original raw file (I get that the linked site is like a stock raw file site). The oft peddled fear of raw file format obsolescence is overblown and you can always convert the raw file to DNG yourself if that's how you want to roll or your software does not support newer camera models.

I think a cup of tea will make me less grumpy.

Kirk

Peano wrote in post #19420553
='Peano;19420553]If you have ACR, go to the "Snapshots" panel and click "Unprocessed." That'll give you the original raw file.

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Thanks for your suggestion. Things look different in ACR 2022 but I found it and clicked Unprocessed. But that did not help me to get DxO PL5 to process it

Thanks again

A very interesting comment, kirk

BTW, do you have Scottish heritage or did your parents just like your forename?

On this one I found it helpful to edit in four separate sections. This illustrates the value of selective rather than global edits. To my eye, the main weakness in this image is the lack of separation between sections 1 and 2. To adjust that, I lightened along the top ridge of section 1, then dropped some shadow in behind (above) that, which gives the effect of pushing section 2 back.

Not competing, of course, just experimenting ...

Stiga wrote in post #19420628
Thanks for your suggestion. Things look different in ACR 2022 but I found it and clicked Unprocessed. But that did not help me to get DxO PL5 to process it

Thanks again

How about: open in ACR, "unprocess," save as a Tiff?

Peano wrote in post #19420685
='Peano;19420685]How about: open in ACR, "unprocess," save as a Tiff?

Yes, I can do that (or in Luminar)

But there is something odd about these DNGs; I have just found that SNH-HDR cannot read them. It just spits them out without giving an error message.

[EDIT] Went next-door with these files on a Pen Drive; Photomatix can't open them either!!!


Thanks

Stiga wrote in post #19420847
Unable to use SNS-HDR, I tried Aurora and it did a good job. Followed this with ACR Darkness on the RH side was ameliorated with a neutral grdient filter

Great work Martin but this is a different photo from the one chosen by Dago.

rrblint wrote in post #19420854
Great work Martin but this is a different photo from the one chosen by Dago.

Deleted. now

Processed to TIFF in On1 Photo RAW=>PL5 then finished off in LP.

One more.