R1 rumored to be 100 MP's

dolina wrote in post #19430934
A simple use of the search box would yield it.

I remember reading some rather outlandish predictions and then what was announced was in line with a very conservative traditional Japanese company.

I welcome being wrong.

You properly called me out about mentioning "Phillipine" even in a positive fashion. Likewise, conservatism and traditionalism isn't limited to Japanese companies.
This rumor was pretty close to the final product.
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Capn Jack wrote in post #19430951
You properly called me out about mentioning "Phillipine" even in a positive fashion. Likewise, conservatism and traditionalism isn't limited to Japanese companies.
This rumor was pretty close to the final product.
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I dont remember.

What I do remember is that the more "out there" rumors published the higher the engagement on CR.

The more decisive the subject matter the more clicks.

As someone astutely pointed out 100 replies and counting.

dolina wrote in post #19430953
I dont remember.

I certainly do....I consider it to be a lesson learned. It was in this thread, it was intended to be positive, but you felt offended and I apologized. I've no need to repeat it. But please don't do the same thing to others.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19430955
I certainly do....I consider it to be a lesson learned. It was in this thread, it was intended to be positive, but you felt offended and I apologized. I've no need to repeat it. But please don't do the same thing to others.

The link you shared does not have your username on it.

I did a Find "offensive word" and I couldn't find one either.

dolina wrote in post #19430960
The link you shared does not have your username on it.

I did a Find "offensive word" and I couldn't find one either.

The link I shared was in response to the rumors statement. Not all the rumors were outlandish.

It doesn't matter if you can find the other thing or not- You properly called it out. Please don't do the same to others.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19430962
The link I shared was in response to the rumors statement. Not all the rumors were outlandish.

It doesn't matter if you can find the other thing or not- You properly called it out. Please don't do the same to others.

We are having two independent conversations again.

dolina wrote in post #19430963
We are having two independent conversations again.

No, but we are this time. "Again" means it happened before.

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Canon will tend to stick pretty close to their normal naming conventions. History seems to support that.

The 5 series has always catered more to wedding, landscape, studio photographers. It also represents the first full frame from Canon. It also represents the higher resolution bodies.

The 1 series, after the introduction of the 5D, leaned more toward action, sports, high frame rates, etc.

The 7 series so far has always been a crop sensor, but high capability type body.

The 6 series, has been full frame, and a budget conscious version of a 5 series.


Even the 3 series, has consistency. It was the first with eye controlled focus in the 90s, and it is the first digital with eye controlled focus as well.


So far everything Canon has done has stayed inside this naming convention (at least since the introduction of the 5D). If there are exceptions I'm not aware of them. We are going on two decades of this naming convention, I don't think they are going to arbitrarily mix it up now.

Considering that, it would be stepping well outside the conventions to have a 100mp 1 series. It fits the 5 series. This isn't a question of will or can they make one, I'm quite sure they can and will. I'm very curious about the name however.

jcothron wrote in post #19431010
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Canon will tend to stick pretty close to their normal naming conventions. History seems to support that.

The 5 series has always catered more to wedding, landscape, studio photographers. It also represents the first full frame from Canon. It also represents the higher resolution bodies.

The 1 series, after the introduction of the 5D, leaned more toward action, sports, high frame rates, etc.

The 7 series so far has always been a crop sensor, but high capability type body.

The 6 series, has been full frame, and a budget conscious version of a 5 series.


Even the 3 series, has consistency. It was the first with eye controlled focus in the 90s, and it is the first digital with eye controlled focus as well.


So far everything Canon has done has stayed inside this naming convention (at least since the introduction of the 5D). If there are exceptions I'm not aware of them. We are going on two decades of this naming convention, I don't think they are going to arbitrarily mix it up now.

Considering that, it would be stepping well outside the conventions to have a 100mp 1 series. It fits the 5 series. This isn't a question of will or can they make one, I'm quite sure they can and will. I'm very curious about the name however.

You make good points all around. I agree that they won't mess with their marketing conventions.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19430112
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IMHO Canon can make a 100mp EOS R1s Tomorrow.

They've really broken through a burst speed bottleneck, and speeds just keep leapfrogging. we used to see improvements of 1 or two frame per second from model to model, 3 years apart. Now it's a 50% increase in about a year.
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I totally agree, Jake.

I can't see how it would be any problem at all for Canon to make a 100MP sensor at frame rates that are fast enough for 99.9% of their user base - 15 or 20 FPS, or even higher.

Anyone who thinks that data throughput will be prohibitive, or a bottleneck, is stuck way back in yesteryear.

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jcothron wrote in post #19431010
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Canon will tend to stick pretty close to their normal naming conventions. History seems to support that.

The 5 series has always catered more to wedding, landscape, studio photographers. It also represents the first full frame from Canon. It also represents the higher resolution bodies.

The 1 series, after the introduction of the 5D, leaned more toward action, sports, high frame rates, etc.

The 7 series so far has always been a crop sensor, but high capability type body.

The 6 series, has been full frame, and a budget conscious version of a 5 series.


Even the 3 series, has consistency. It was the first with eye controlled focus in the 90s, and it is the first digital with eye controlled focus as well.


So far everything Canon has done has stayed inside this naming convention (at least since the introduction of the 5D). If there are exceptions I'm not aware of them. We are going on two decades of this naming convention, I don't think they are going to arbitrarily mix it up now.

Considering that, it would be stepping well outside the conventions to have a 100mp 1 series. It fits the 5 series. This isn't a question of will or can they make one, I'm quite sure they can and will. I'm very curious about the name however.

Well, this is quite insightful! Makes sense.

jcothron wrote in post #19431010
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Canon will tend to stick pretty close to their normal naming conventions. History seems to support that.

The 5 series has always catered more to wedding, landscape, studio photographers. It also represents the first full frame from Canon. It also represents the higher resolution bodies.

The 1 series, after the introduction of the 5D, leaned more toward action, sports, high frame rates, etc.

The 7 series so far has always been a crop sensor, but high capability type body.

The 6 series, has been full frame, and a budget conscious version of a 5 series.


Even the 3 series, has consistency. It was the first with eye controlled focus in the 90s, and it is the first digital with eye controlled focus as well.


So far everything Canon has done has stayed inside this naming convention (at least since the introduction of the 5D). If there are exceptions I'm not aware of them. We are going on two decades of this naming convention, I don't think they are going to arbitrarily mix it up now.

Considering that, it would be stepping well outside the conventions to have a 100mp 1 series. It fits the 5 series. This isn't a question of will or can they make one, I'm quite sure they can and will. I'm very curious about the name however.

I think the R5 stepped out. It has close to the 5DS/5DSR resolution (within 10%), ie, within the usual 5 series convention, but the 20fps and the, at the time or release, arguably the best AF performance available of a 1 Series. All in a 5 series body.

Nikon stepped out with the Z9 in a very similar way but gave it the body of their Dx line. It uses the Sony 50mp stacked sensor to enable high resolution and their best AF. It is their highest resolution body, their best AF and their highest frame rate.

Sony's convention was less well established but their A1, with 50mp is close to their A7RIV 61mp in resolution but it's AF and frame rate follows their A9 line.
(They only have 1 body style for full frame)

Also, the 1 series was still split after the 5D introduction. The 1D3 and 1DS3 were released after the 5D. 1D3 was lower resolution with high frame rate. 1DS3 was double the resolution but slow frame rate. They shared AF systems. The 1DS3 had more resolution than 5D2 and 5D3. The difference was small but it was the highest resolution Canon full frame before the 5D4 release.
It was the 1D4 that was the first single model 1 Series that was really more of a sports and action body.

Therefore you could argue the 1DS3 and 5D3 were both deviating from Canon convention. IMHO it was the 5D3 that was the more deviant.

The R, Rp, and R10 don’t seem to meet any previous naming convention that I can figure out, and the R7 is more of a 90D replacement than the 7D, so I consider that on the fringe of following previous models numbers.

I think canon has indeed played a bit loosey goosey on the R models and is only staying somewhat close to old numbers.

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Canon's naming convention and corresponding model specifications have every bit as much to do with build quality and battery capacity than they have to do with resolution and frame rate.

When I see people on forums discuss and compare different models, they never seem to give the same weight and importance to build quality (ruggedness) and battery capacity that they give to other things like resolution, sensor quality, etc. . I think this is odd, because build quality is of such utmost importance, and is the main determining factor for many of us when we are making decisions about what camera model to buy.

Choderboy, I didn't see you discuss build quality at all when you were talking about Canon's naming conventions and the differences between the different models and model lines. . If you would include build quality and battery capacity as being just as important as resolution and frame rate, you would see that the models you say "stepped out of line" didn't really step out of line nearly as much as you may think.

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TeamSpeed wrote in post #19431154
The R, Rp, and R10 don’t seem to meet any previous naming convention that I can figure out, and the R7 is more of a 90D replacement than the 7D, so I consider that on the fringe of following previous models numbers.

I think canon has indeed played a bit loosey goosey on the R models and is only staying somewhat close to old numbers.

R & RP are pretty much new product lines to cater to lower-end consumer FF that are below the 6-Series. Indicator would be their prevailing price points.

R10 follows the

- 2000 EOS D30
- 2002 EOS D60
- 2003 EOS 10D

R100 will follow

- 2003 EOS 300D
- 2005 EOS 350D
- 2006 EOS 400D

Odds are there will be a R1000 but APS-C bodies will be limited to 4 product lines only. While FF will be up to 9 product lines only. This would mirror Sony's FF & APS-C business strategy.

When people know the product history of Canon for the past 2 decades then odds are you can guess at ~80% or better accuracy what will occur in the next product cycle.

So $6.5k-10k R1 @ 100MP is clickbait rumor mongering. This is more than 4x the R3's 24MP when previous two 1-Series bodies never breached 20MP. So a 2020 1D X Mark III @ 20MP will jump 5x MP to 100MP for the R1?

~$3.9k R5s @ 100MP makes all the sense in the world.