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Oct 30, 2022 12:56 |  #30346

Tronhard wrote in post #19441382 (external link)
I don't take gender sides in this situation. The situation is hard on both, which is why DoC has to take a very active role to try to rebalance what nature has lost. The males have been known to boom for months, always from the same spot - which is their natural behaviour. If there are no females in the area one could argue that it is the males go unfulfilled.

Thanks for all the explanation. I'm actually not sure that what we're calling fulfillment applies to these birds. In natural conditions, they don't seem so keen on mating, unlike many mammals. I can't know their state of mind, but suppose that a good crop of the special flowers simply triggers in a male an impulse to go to an elevated spot, carve out his bowls and tracks, and start booming. Then, if a female shows up, they mate because they're together and their hormones are right for it. The female, similarly, may be drawn to his booming without consciously seeking out a male. "I was just going to a concert, and you won't believe what happened!" You've noted that unmated females don't show signs of sexual deprivation. Maybe they don't feel deprived. Maybe males don't, either.

So here's the remaining question. How is booming hard on males? Maybe it's strenuous, maybe it keeps them too busy to find food. But do they boom longer if females don't appear? These males are promiscuous, meaning that they needn't stop booming after one mating. They could keep going and perhaps attract another female.

How do we know that a low frequency of mating makes either sex suffer?


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Oct 30, 2022 13:06 |  #30347

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Oct 30, 2022 17:48 |  #30348

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Oct 30, 2022 17:59 |  #30349

I kept an eye on one of the last sections of my burning bush (euonymus alatus) that still had some leaves. It was in hopes of taking a photo of a cardinal .... so that I could tease Charles. I was going to say something to the effect of "the cardinals stay red by rubbing against the red leaves". :-P
But, a cardinal never came. I had to settle for a common sparrow .... but I thought it was still worth posting !

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Oct 30, 2022 18:00 |  #30350

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Oct 30, 2022 18:05 |  #30351

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That is such a cute face. Great picture.




  
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Oct 30, 2022 18:05 |  #30352

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I kept an eye on one of the last sections of my burning bush (euonymus alatus) that still had some leaves. It was in hopes of taking a photo of a cardinal .... so that I could tease Charles. I was going to say something to the effect of "the cardinals stay red by rubbing against the red leaves". :-P
But, a cardinal never came. I had to settle for a common sparrow .... but I thought it was still worth posting !

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Nice image. But that is the "before" shot, isn't it?:-P




  
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Oct 30, 2022 23:08 |  #30354

hammer418 wrote in post #19441610 (external link)
I kept an eye on one of the last sections of my burning bush (euonymus alatus) that still had some leaves. It was in hopes of taking a photo of a cardinal .... so that I could tease Charles. I was going to say something to the effect of "the cardinals stay red by rubbing against the red leaves". :-P
But, a cardinal never came. I had to settle for a common sparrow .... but I thought it was still worth posting !

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Oct 30, 2022 23:10 |  #30355

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That is such a cute face. Great picture.

Thanks JC :-)



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Oct 30, 2022 23:36 |  #30356

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Magnificent capture of the Grey Shrike-thrush, Richard! Nice sharp image, and I like the bird's pose.

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Terrific hen wood duck shot, fotoi!

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What a marvelous shot of the Gilded Flicker, Tom! Great light and a tack sharp image!

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Nice hen wigeon shot, fotoi! Great color.


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Oct 31, 2022 07:30 |  #30357

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Magnificent capture of the Grey Shrike-thrush, Richard! Nice sharp image, and I like the bird's pose.

Terrific hen wood duck shot, fotoi!

What a marvelous shot of the Gilded Flicker, Tom! Great light and a tack sharp image!

Nice hen wigeon shot, fotoi! Great color.

Many thanks Mike.


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Oct 31, 2022 11:45 |  #30359

OhLook wrote in post #19441519 (external link)
Thanks for all the explanation. I'm actually not sure that what we're calling fulfillment applies to these birds. In natural conditions, they don't seem so keen on mating, unlike many mammals. I can't know their state of mind, but suppose that a good crop of the special flowers simply triggers in a male an impulse to go to an elevated spot, carve out his bowls and tracks, and start booming. Then, if a female shows up, they mate because they're together and their hormones are right for it. The female, similarly, may be drawn to his booming without consciously seeking out a male. "I was just going to a concert, and you won't believe what happened!" You've noted that unmated females don't show signs of sexual deprivation. Maybe they don't feel deprived. Maybe males don't, either.

So here's the remaining question. How is booming hard on males? Maybe it's strenuous, maybe it keeps them too busy to find food. But do they boom longer if females don't appear? These males are promiscuous, meaning that they needn't stop booming after one mating. They could keep going and perhaps attract another female.

How do we know that a low frequency of mating makes either sex suffer?

Fulfilment in its true sense, where there is a conscious sense of something complete or satisfied, is hard to assign to these birds: again it is easy to see these things in a human context. It is instinct driven rather than an higher cognitive function, I would say. BTW, their alpine cousins the Kea, are highly intelligent, but they have to be to survive in the wilds of the NZ alps. It's another example of form follows function...

Booming is hard on males because they do put a lot of effort into that - it takes a lot of muscles to expand and contract the vocalization mechanism to create a very low frequency sound that carries for several km, and they keep it up for many hours a day - some do it almost continually. https://www.doc.govt.n​z …s/bird-song/kakapo-18.mp3 (external link)

They seem to want to get some reaction at least, but I speculate that they do it for a combination of energy resource and the period of the 'season' - tied to temperate and the rolling Rimu blooms.

Both male and female are promiscuous it seems, and that may be one of the things that is keeping the species alive. Given that DoC are providing a sort of dating service, they may or may not mate with one, several, or no partners. The males have a strong mating instinct when it is initiated, as demonstrated by this clip from the BBC series 'Last Chance to See" with Stephen Fry.

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Oct 31, 2022 19:05 |  #30360

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