Point and Shoot Cameras are Basically Dead

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19441463
As to Dolina's graphs about overall numbers... annual sales (top) bears a striking resemblance to annual POTN posts (bottom), even though I suspect the underlying causes are quite different.

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Some time ago I did a survey on all the photo forums I participated in and I the poll results was that over 80% of all members were born prior to 1980.

Largest group are baby boomers.

No big surprise as they have the largest disposable income photo toys.

I also took a look at the top 20 most prolific users on POTN. A lot of them last logged in before 2020. So they've been absent for 3 years or more.

As smartphones are replaced every 2-4 years with better cameras it makes almost all point & shoots redundant.

Only working photogs, photo agencies and enthusiasts who prioritize their spend on cameras are buying.

DSLR bodies have not received a product refresh since 2020. Only mirrorless systems get any R&D money anymore.

Those waiting for the replacement of the 2020 Canon EOS R5 body will have to wait for as late as July 2024 for an announcement and November 2024 to be on the shelf.

Odds are it may appear with the EOS R1 that was designed for the July 2024 Paris Olympics.

5-Series bodies have a 4 year refresh cycle.

So at most a 20 month wait.

dolina wrote in post #19482015
CIPA members as a whole had mirrorless doing better than point & shoots + SLR.


Mobile phones have become nearly 100% iPhone or Android. The original Nokia feature phones of old are relegated to people who cannot afford a $50 Android phone.

Emphasis mine, but is that what expensive Android phones cost where you live?

Capn Jack wrote in post #19482028
Emphasis mine, but is that what expensive Android phones cost where you live?

Where I live Android smartphones are priced $50-1,500+. iPhones are the same as where you live at $429-1,599.

Back in 2015 I was able to buy two stock Android One smartphones for the equivalent of $50 each.

https://www.revu.com.p​h …-uno-android-philippines/

One was bought outright while the other was on a $10/mo plan.

This isn't bad where >84% of individual income is $5k/year.

dolina wrote in post #19482031
Where I live Android smartphones are priced $50-1,500+. iPhones are the same as where you live at $429-1,599.

Back in 2015 I was able to buy two stock Android One smartphones for the equivalent of $50 each.

https://www.revu.com.p​h …-uno-android-philippines/

One was bought outright while the other was on a $10/mo plan.

This isn't bad where >84% of individual income is $5k/year.

Thank you! And thank you for the serious reply. It helps me to keep things in perspective. I've read onions were difficult (expensive) to buy over there.

The list of things that used to be manufactured, but since replaced by mobile devices is massive, it is a surprise point and shoot cameras have lasted this long. The list has to be in the hundreds of items, equipment, and capabilities.

A mini super computer with optics, wireless, speakers, gps, and a hi-def touch screen it’s amazing to what tech existed just 20yr ago.

The next major hit to manufacturing and jobs will be the full move to EV vehicles, the impact to so many industries is going to be huge. I haven’t had to buy gas, oil, air filters, coolant, plugs, oil filters, power steering fluid, replace an alternator, replace belts, change a timing chain, clean the injectors, flush the coolant system, change brake pads and rotors at 50k, etc. The list of impacts goes beyond these items even.

Sure there will be other areas that grow to support this, but no where close to the size of what will go away.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19482095
The list of things that used to be manufactured, but since replaced by mobile devices is massive, it is a surprise point and shoot cameras have lasted this long. The list has to be in the hundreds of items, equipment, and capabilities.

A mini super computer with optics, wireless, speakers, gps, and a hi-def touch screen it’s amazing to what tech existed just 20yr ago.

The next major hit to manufacturing and jobs will be the full move to EV vehicles, the impact to so many industries is going to be huge. I haven’t had to buy gas, oil, air filters, coolant, plugs, oil filters, power steering fluid, replace an alternator, replace belts, change a timing chain, clean the injectors, flush the coolant system, change brake pads and rotors at 50k, etc. The list of impacts goes beyond these items even.

Sure there will be other areas that grow to support this, but no where close to the size of what will go away.

I would think the high end and cumbersome video cameras are next to go. I have seen many show up at weddings with I-phones to cover weddings. The traditional 5 minute wedding video is old hat and couples want something new and different. I see lots o changes because of I phones

BTW the price I gave for the $50 Android phones excludes 12% VAT. So you have to tack that on.

Capn Jack wrote in post #19482093
Thank you! And thank you for the serious reply. It helps me to keep things in perspective. I've read onions were difficult (expensive) to buy over there.

Gosh! That's embarrassing.

We had the most expensive onion prices in the world. More expensive than Japan but at our quality level.

Onions are bought from farmers at US$0.065-0.12/lbs then sold at the supermarket at $6.13/lbs during December peak season. Whoever cornered the onion market probably listened to this NPR Planet Money episode

Today's forex is ₱55.53 = US$1.00. I converted the currency and weights for your convenience.

Now, our eggs prices are approaching US prices. And I read news that eggs are going up over your end of the Pacific.

Last week 30pcs of "jumbo" white chicken eggs cost me $5.04 at the farmer's market. Add 12% VAT for the supermarket.

Minimum wage here peaks at ~$1.00/hr depending on which province you find yourself in.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19482095
The next major hit to manufacturing and jobs will be the full move to EV vehicles, the impact to so many industries is going to be huge. I haven’t had to buy gas, oil, air filters, coolant, plugs, oil filters, power steering fluid, replace an alternator, replace belts, change a timing chain, clean the injectors, flush the coolant system, change brake pads and rotors at 50k, etc. The list of impacts goes beyond these items even.

Sure there will be other areas that grow to support this, but no where close to the size of what will go away.

For commercial vehicles, EVs will be revolutionary as diesel theft will evaporate.

Whenever fuel prices exceed the price of Coca Cola then expect a spike of fuel theft.

The words in bold are mine but as an EV owner do you avoid those expenses I highlighted?

umphotography wrote in post #19482123
I would think the high end and cumbersome video cameras are next to go. I have seen many show up at weddings with I-phones to cover weddings. The traditional 5 minute wedding video is old hat and couples want something new and different. I see lots o changes because of I phones

Maybe VR is the next thing? Canon came out with a VR lens for their RF bodies?




I know back in 2008 it was 1080p recordings then around 2016 it was 4K resolution video.

Will 8K video be a priority by 2026?

dolina wrote in post #19482231
For commercial vehicles, EVs will be revolutionary as diesel theft will evaporate.

Whenever fuel prices exceed the price of Coca Cola then expect a spike of fuel theft.

The words in bold are mine but as an EV owner do you avoid those expenses I highlighted?

I guess I don’t understand the question, those items are nothing EV owners need to worry about. EV owners have to only worry about these maintenance items:

- brake pads and rotors, but only about half as much
- windshield wiper fluid and wipers
- 12v emergency backup battery
- there is a coolant you have to watch, but very small amount and special kind
- tires
- shocks and struts

This is it, no other fluids or anything. An EV eliminates the need for six common fluids, and a transmission, conventional power steering, water pump, alternator, driveshaft between front and rear, differential, and then the ICE.

The complications they bring are a charging network, electricity generation because todays means of doing that is actually less green than gas engines, price of electricity, battery tech is too old and inefficient, length of charge (back to battery tech) cold climates deplete EV energy by 30-40% (back to battery tech), battery degradation (back to battery tech), cost, need for lighter vehicles (back to battery tech), and other more minor things.

As you can see, battery tech is the single item holding back this mode of transportation, followed by charging infrastructure, followed by cost.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19482304
I guess I don’t understand the question, those items are nothing EV owners need to worry about.

What I meant was that for commercial vehicles like taxis, buses, etc having an electric vehicle would eliminate gasoline/diesel theft by the driver. When cost of oil is below the price of soda it generally does not get pilfered but when it goes above the price of it then pilferages are to be expected.

Slow charge times would discourage the drivers to steal electricity and it would take a long while to transfer it out unlike liquid fuel.

Was wondering if the eliminating potential fuel theft & reduced consumable items for maintenance would result in EVs being a better deal for fleet owners.

So after reading my post, just imagine the industrial landscape and how it is going to change?

Oil change facilities
Service centers
Auto parts aisles at stores
Car parts stores
Car dealers and their service centers
Car parts distribution
Fluid manufacturing
Mechanical car parts manufacturing
Needs for trained techs greatly diminished
Etc

The same thing to hit the camera market is gearing up to hit the transportation space.

I cannot answer that as we don’t have fuel theft. Fleets are going to EV for reduced maintenance, some savings in fuel, and marketing bragging rights today in these here parts.

dolina wrote in post #19482231
For commercial vehicles, EVs will be revolutionary as diesel theft will evaporate.

Whenever fuel prices exceed the price of Coca Cola then expect a spike of fuel theft.

The words in bold are mine but as an EV owner do you avoid those expenses I highlighted?

Fuel theft is rather uncommon here. However, people steal catalytic convertors from cars, which aren't needed for EVs. So that's a savings for us!

dolina wrote in post #19482230
BTW the price I gave for the $50 Android phones excludes 12% VAT. So you have to tack that on.

Gosh! That's embarrassing.

We had the most expensive onion prices in the world. More expensive than Japan but at our quality level.

Onions are bought from farmers at US$0.065-0.12/lbs then sold at the supermarket at $6.13/lbs during December peak season. Whoever cornered the onion market probably listened to this NPR Planet Money episode

Today's forex is ₱55.53 = US$1.00. I converted the currency and weights for your convenience.

Now, our eggs prices are approaching US prices. And I read news that eggs are going up over your end of the Pacific.

Last week 30pcs of "jumbo" white chicken eggs cost me $5.04 at the farmer's market. Add 12% VAT for the supermarket.

Minimum wage here peaks at ~$1.00/hr depending on which province you find yourself in.

The price of eggs is downward here now. We've had outbreaks of bird flu that are finally subsiding. I saw them for under 3 USD yesterday.