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Mar 12, 2023 08:53 |  #4306

mcoren wrote in post #19492063 (external link)
Probably because the numbers (shutter speed denominator and focal ratio) increase as you turn them to the right, like a volume knob.

I'm not saying that's the best way, but somebody probably made the decision for that to be the default behavior.

"It goes to f/11"

Yeah, but I still don't like it!!! It's about volume, not numbers. ;)


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Mar 12, 2023 09:20 |  #4307

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Yes D, that is what I want (not that I'll get it any time). I've been shooting for decades and am quite good at setting the three parameters in full manual myself, so that my exposures are as far to the right as possible without clipping any highlights other than speculars. I'm sure you're aware of the reasons. I just find the meter too often over or under exposes. These days I shoot mostly birds. Most birds have some white on them. The whites on the bird are usually the brightest thing in the frame and I don't want to clip them. So I set exposure for just less than clipping whites. If I leave it to the meter with one or more parameters in auto, as the bird flies from a dark background past a light background the meter will tell the camera to alter the exposure, either under or over-exposing it. With my full manual setting, the bird stays properly exposed regardless of the background (unless it flies from sun into shade for example). But if I want to quickly change shutter speed, aperture or ISO, say to close down aperture to increase DOF on a flock of birds or to decrease shutter speed if a perched bird takes off, without changing overall exposure, my imaginary Ev setting would change another setting to maintain overall exposure.

But I suppose, thinking it through, there'd be times when the bird does fly from sun into shade and I need to quickly increase exposure by 4 stops, then I'd have to have some way of telling the camera that this time I do want to change exposure. I don't know how that would work.

Sorry for the ramble, I'm just thinking out loud. At least with the R7 it's easy to quickly change any of the three parameters with a single action (shutter front wheel, ISO back wheel, aperture control ring) so I can maintain exposure, or change it, with any of these controls. So yes, thinking it through, I guess it is fine as it is.

Re Fv, at first I couldn't understand the point of it and although I now understand better how it works I still can't really see the point of it, as to change any parameter requires two actions (one to select the parameter, another to change it), rather than one (by turning a wheel or ring). I suppose if you use an auto setting and exposure compensation, which introduces a fourth setting for which there is no direct control, then it could be useful.

Once again, sorry for the ramble, I may not be making much sense.:oops:

From the way I understand things, you want to dial in an exposure then have that light level aka exposure maintained even if you change one of the parameters. To me it is only a firmware upgrade away to be able to program a button to lock the exposure. Set Tv, Av and ISO then press lock. Should be doable.

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Mar 12, 2023 09:27 |  #4308

If I changed my top wheel to go slower shutter to the right I would be getting it wrong until the end of time! I must just be used to the idea of cranking it "smaller" to the right.


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Mar 12, 2023 10:30 |  #4309

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Mar 12, 2023 10:46 |  #4310

mcoren wrote in post #19492063 (external link)
Probably because the numbers (shutter speed denominator and focal ratio) increase as you turn them to the right, like a volume knob.

I'm not saying that's the best way, but somebody probably made the decision for that to be the default behavior.

"It goes to f/11"

Exactly. And it does make sense to do that..
- You crank up the ISO.
- You crank up the shutter speed.
- You crank up how much the Aperture blades should close.


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Mar 12, 2023 10:58 as a reply to  @ D-Noc's post |  #4311

What you all want is something similar to C.fn2 where you can set to auto-adjust ISO or shutter speed with a change of aperture. I shoot full manual but that is a mighty handy function as exposure stays the same when zooming in or out.


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Mar 12, 2023 11:28 |  #4312

digital paradise wrote in post #19492026 (external link)
Good point. I’m standing here waiting for a bird to fly. I mapped Av to the ring and the front dial to Tv as I shoot wide open as well. Thanks

I used to shoot in Av and back then there was no Auto ISO. This new set up feels very natural. I’m setting up my R6II the same way.


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Mar 12, 2023 11:30 |  #4313

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19492123 (external link)
What you all want is something similar to C.fn2 where you can set to auto-adjust ISO or shutter speed with a change of aperture. I shoot full manual but that is a mighty handy function as exposure stays the same when zooming in or out.

I’ve committed Mf-n to change AF modes but I’ll look into this. It was a hot day. It’s Miller time. Well SuperBock in Portugal.


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Mar 12, 2023 11:38 |  #4314

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Mar 12, 2023 11:38 |  #4315

digital paradise wrote in post #19492149 (external link)
I’ve committed Mf-n to change AF modes but I’ll look into this. It was a hot day. It’s Miller time. Well SuperBock in Portugal.

DP, I was referring to Custom Function #2 in the orange menu.


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Mar 12, 2023 11:57 |  #4316

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #19492161 (external link)
DP, I was referring to Custom Function #2 in the orange menu.

Oh. Sorry about that.


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Mar 12, 2023 12:10 |  #4317

digital paradise wrote in post #19492168 (external link)
Oh. Sorry about that.

Blame it on SuperBock! :-D


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Mar 12, 2023 12:26 |  #4318

RodS57 wrote in post #19492078 (external link)
From the way I understand things, you want to dial in an exposure then have that light level aka exposure maintained even if you change one of the parameters. To me it is only a firmware upgrade away to be able to program a button to lock the exposure. Set Tv, Av and ISO then press lock. Should be doable.

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Mar 12, 2023 12:28 |  #4319

AntonLargiader wrote in post #19492082 (external link)
If I changed my top wheel to go slower shutter to the right I would be getting it wrong until the end of time! I must just be used to the idea of cranking it "smaller" to the right.

Probably not till the end of time. You get used to changes. Like when we first started doing back-button focusing.:)


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