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Oct 10, 2006 11:28 |  #31

Wilt wrote in post #2101440 (external link)
You can't have your cake and eat it, too! Nice viewfinder, poorer handling of noise at higher ISO values. And you don't get to use L lenses (if that matters to you).

The D80 has a .94X magnification factor (based on a 50 mm lens at infinity) and has a slightly larger sensor than the 30D so it should present a bit larger picture. If Wilt's math holds up, this should present about 332 sq mm of viewfinder image vs. the 288 sq mm of the 30D (and about 256 sq mm on the XT). That's certainly larger, though I wouldn't quite consider it as "blowing away" that of the 30D. Definately a plus, though.


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Oct 10, 2006 12:06 |  #32

are you taking worse pictures as a result? I doubt it. The viewfinder in my 350d has never put me off or annoyed me once. The fact that the 5d and 1d have bigger viewfinders just means a bonus in the future, but i just dont find it a limiting factor at all...


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Oct 10, 2006 12:09 |  #33

jiggling_john wrote in post #2101930 (external link)
are you taking worse pictures as a result? I doubt it. The viewfinder in my 350d has never put me off or annoyed me once. The fact that the 5d and 1d have bigger viewfinders just means a bonus in the future, but i just dont find it a limiting factor at all...

If you had to achieve precise manual focus, you would start to complain...that is why focus magnifiers are used for precision. The larger the viewfinder, the more precise the manual focusing process.


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Oct 10, 2006 12:10 |  #34

if you had to achieve precise manual focus, you wouldn't be using a cropped sensor camera for a start.


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Oct 10, 2006 12:18 |  #35

jiggling_john wrote in post #2101949 (external link)
if you had to achieve precise manual focus, you wouldn't be using a cropped sensor camera for a start.

Not everyone can afford a full frame body.


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Oct 10, 2006 15:29 |  #36

you dont need a full frame body. my 1D Mark IIN (1.3x) has a WWAAAYYY bigger viewfinder than the rebel XT or 20D or 30D and i can acheive very precise manual focus as a result. i think its funny hearing people complain about their rebel XT viewfinder, when in fact its their fault for purchasing a cheapo camera to begin with.

so no, you don't need a full frame body. just invest in some pro equipment and you'll understand the difference.


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Oct 10, 2006 15:32 |  #37

Not everyone has the budget for a 1D and three L lenses, nor are they pros and can justify it.


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Oct 10, 2006 15:46 |  #38

meeksdigital wrote in post #2102818 (external link)
you dont need a full frame body. my 1D Mark IIN (1.3x) has a WWAAAYYY bigger viewfinder than the rebel XT or 20D or 30D and i can acheive very precise manual focus as a result. i think its funny hearing people complain about their rebel XT viewfinder, when in fact its their fault for purchasing a cheapo camera to begin with.

so no, you don't need a full frame body. just invest in some pro equipment and you'll understand the difference.

What kind of a statement is that?

You shouldn't have to pay 3 extra grand to be able to focus manually. Very few people can drop these money "just because I wanna focus"


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Oct 10, 2006 16:20 |  #39

meeksdigital wrote in post #2102818 (external link)
... its their fault for purchasing a cheapo camera to begin with.

That's a bit harsh! There are countless photography enthusiasts for whom that 'cheapo' XT/350D is still a far-off dream. A far smaller number are privileged to enjoy the luxury you have of such a fine camera and lenses. By all means enjoy your hobby, and indulge yourself as your wealth permits, but don't denigrate those who can't afford the same.


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Oct 10, 2006 16:49 |  #40

meeksdigital wrote in post #2102818 (external link)
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No need to repeat that statement.

I don't think te size of the crop cameras VFs (including the 1D series) is the only point here.
The 1Ds (as well as the Eos 1n or 1V for that matter) are also worse then, say a Contax RTS III, Olympus OM1, or Nikon F4...
Yes, the 1Ds and 1V are full frame, and have a lot bigger VF then Canons crop bodies, but they are still less then perfect.


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Oct 11, 2006 00:21 |  #41

its still expensive to produce large chips, and if canon put large chips onto rebel, they would not be able to sell tons of it which would decrease their income. that's why they have different camera for category.



  
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Oct 11, 2006 07:59 as a reply to  @ luant16's post |  #42

I had a Pentax istDs. Cost $915 , XT350 was about $1200.

Much better than an XT viewfinder. (bigger , brighter) Then I got a 20D ($2000) and the viefinder was almost as good as the Pentax.

Before you shoot me down , have a look through an istDS. istDL is not as good... K10D - keen to check one out.


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