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Jan 23, 2007 14:02 |  #1

I was playing in a badminton tournament and took the opportunity to bring my photography gears and take some photos.

I made a previous post on where I was having a hard time getting sharp pictures. I think the reason why was that my DOF was too shallow. I was using f/1.8. Granted that this was taken during the night. You can view the post here: click me

The tournament I played was in the same gym but was during the daytime. So lighting was much better. I think the roof windows provided the extra lighting I needed.

When reviewing some of the pictures, I noticed that some of the player's skin tone look blown out. Almost like doll skin texture. I'll provide two pictures with two different kinds of edits.

1) Camera Raw Auto Settings, no other edits

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2) Camera Raw Auto Settings, Noise Reduction, Unsharp Mask
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Settings and Equipments I used:
- ISO1600, f/2.5, 1/250s
- AI Servo AF
- Manual Focus Point: Center Focus
- Canon 50mm f/1.8 II
- Canon Rebel XTi

To me, the skin tone looks awful. Is there any improvement I could have done during the pre-process and post-process? I rather not do much edits in photoshop except for maybe noise reduction and unsharp mask to give the picture some 'pop' but I'm still puzzle why the skin tone in both photos looks awful.



  
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Jan 23, 2007 14:32 |  #2

Turn off the auto settings, and manually adjust.
The 'auto' settings try to get an 'average' on the image of medium gray. Turn down the exposure a bit, to aoid blowing out the skintones (holding down the alt key (IIRC) will show clipped channels if you move the exposure slider in ACR), and set the white balance by hand.
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Jan 23, 2007 17:17 |  #3

Looks like the WB is off...your 85 1.8 should ROCk for this sport...the best indoor lens I have seen so far...especially for the money...


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Jan 23, 2007 18:55 |  #4

I been told that my WB is off and there is a blue tint to it. I don't see it and I think it's due to my monitor not being calibrated correctly. I am using the Adobe Gamma program. I will try to use my laptop and see if that helps.

Also, I don't have a 85 f/1.8 :( Seems like a good lens based on the user reviews.




  
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Jan 23, 2007 23:13 |  #5

I got some terminology question. I don't really understand the meaning of hightlights, midtone, and shadows. Please do correct me if I get it wrong. Highlights would be the bright areas such as the skin. The midtone would be the clothes and the shadow would be, well the shadows. I'm probably way off but when I think of highlights, midtone, shadows, I think of colors like cyan, magenta, and yellow.




  
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Jan 23, 2007 23:22 |  #6

Highlights would be the bright areas such as the skin. The midtone would be the clothes and the shadow would be, well the shadows.

In this shot, yes, but there's a brighter highlight in the racquet & shoes.


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Jan 25, 2007 12:33 |  #7

to me, i think its exposed a little more for the shadows (ie underexposure). she has very light skin and as you can see, that causes hot skintones. judging that almost all of the light is comeing from above, the shadows on the skind should be (in my opinion) somewhat darker. I would lower the contrast in camera, and underexpose (given that you're shots were "properly" exposed according to camera) by about a half stop to 2/3s stop.




  
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Jan 25, 2007 19:58 |  #8

I would lower the contrast in camera, and underexpose (given that you're shots were "properly" exposed according to camera) by about a half stop to 2/3s stop.

Well, that isn't going to work? Dan is shooting RAW (as I would), so in-cam processing won't work with the important pic file. (If he uses RAW + Jpg).
I agree with Rene that you'll eventually get better results if you learn to "Turn off the auto settings, and manually adjust."

First, I never trust AWB. More on that here: Gray card: Why your meter may be lying to you!
I found something that I didn't expect! Notice that the very last exposure in the 2nd group was of a gray card.

2nd, for exposure, this will always work for me.
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Jan 25, 2007 20:36 |  #9

There was another photographer at the tournament and we both talked about white balance. He used a plain white paper to create a custom white balance. I wished I did the same but I was too busy playing my matches :mad:

PhotosGuy: Thanks for the information. It has been very helpful.




  
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Jan 25, 2007 21:47 |  #10

I have only used white paper, but am planing on getting a grey card and putting it in my gear bag...


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Jan 26, 2007 08:28 |  #11

I have only used white paper, but am planing on getting a grey card and putting it in my gear bag...

What’s best for exposure, Gray cards, white paper, expensive attachments for the lens?
Gray Card…White Paper. What’s best?


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Jan 26, 2007 11:46 |  #12
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Auto settings not best always.

ACR auto settings don't always get the adjustment correct. Sometimes it gets the "exposure/highlights" adjustment off by as much as a full stop that you then have to uncheck that item and adjust the conversion setting yourself.

Try that and see if you like the result you get better as it will preview when you move the sliders.


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