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Jan 30, 2007 22:50 |  #1

I am having trouble deciding between the following:

1.Sigma AF 70-200mm f/2.8 EX HSM DG
2. Sigma AF 100-300mm f/4 EX HSM APO
3. Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 USM L
4. Sigma AF 50-500mm f/4-6.3 EX HSM APO (Bigma)

I will be purchasing a 1.4X TC at some point also.

I am looking for a fast, sharp lens for shooting some surfing, mountain biking, kite surfing, and a lot of shots from a boat of the shore line (houses and beaches) I would just like some help from people with first hand experience. I've seen all the archieves of pictures and read tons of reviews but I'm still undecided. Please help.


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Jan 30, 2007 23:17 |  #2

mmmm. People here have mixed opinions on #'s 1 2 and 4 as they are sigma, and sigma isn't exactly renowned for having perfect products 100% of the time. your best bet is #3 if you have the money for it.



  
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Jan 30, 2007 23:20 |  #3

august23 wrote in post #2629359 (external link)
mmmm. People here have mixed opinions on #'s 1 2 and 4 as they are sigma, and sigma isn't exactly renowned for having perfect products 100% of the time. your best bet is #3 if you have the money for it.

I don't buy that for a second. Sigma makes some great alternatives in the long telephoto area. There are many that are very happy with all three of the Siggie's you've mentioned. As for fast the 70-200's and the 100-300 would be your fastest. The Bigma (50-500) provides the most reach and versatilty and you wouldn't need the TC. If I were buying for myself I'd probably go Bigma, but that's just me.



  
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Jan 30, 2007 23:23 |  #4

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I don't buy that for a second. Sigma makes some great alternatives in the long telephoto area. There are many that are very happy with all three of the Siggie's you've mentioned. As for fast the 70-200's and the 100-300 would be your fastest. The Bigma (50-500) provides the most reach and versatilty and you wouldn't need the TC. If I were buying for myself I'd probably go Bigma, but that's just me.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Read the billions of reviews on sigma lenses. They go one of two ways. Theyre either praised and work flawlessly, or they are considered mediocre and have compatability issues on cameras they're designed to work on. Its not an opinion, as I don't own any Sigma lenses, or any for that mater, the reviews speak for themselves. The only one without any complaint is the 70-200, and that has received nothing but praise.



  
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Jan 30, 2007 23:50 |  #5

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It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Read the billions of reviews on sigma lenses. They go one of two ways. Theyre either praised and work flawlessly, or they are considered mediocre and have compatability issues on cameras they're designed to work on. Its not an opinion, as I don't own any Sigma lenses, or any for that mater, the reviews speak for themselves. The only one without any complaint is the 70-200, and that has received nothing but praise.

Canon lenses are criticized for a million different errors too-- if I believed in all the reviews, I'd never have bought a 24-70, because it's allegedly screwed up in a million ways. I'm no Sigma fan particularly, but to say that they are a bad choice based on some user reviews isn't really opinion or fact, it's conjecture. The funny thing is that I have seen some negative comments about the Sigma 70-200, just like I've seen negative comments on pretty much every lens ever made by any manufacturer. Heck, there are a lot (note to 17-55 fans-- I am NOT trying to start some kind of fight here, read the whole post before mashing those angry reply buttons!) of conflicted reviews of your coming 17-55, yet the prevailing opinion seems to be that it's a great lens. When reading reviews by users you have to take into account a huge range of factors, partiularly that the vast majority of happy users will never talk about the lens in the way that unhappy users will, so you see the dissastisfied folks much more readily.

edit: all that said, my choice was the Canon 70-200 2.8 non-IS: I wanted to get every last possible drop of AF for shooting fast action sports, mostly (ie football soccer basketball etc).


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Jan 30, 2007 23:59 |  #6
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I'd purchase number three, as my personal preference is Canon. While Sigma lenses are perfectly fine, I like the autofocus of Canon lenses better.



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Jan 31, 2007 00:12 |  #7

tsaraleksi wrote in post #2629498 (external link)
Canon lenses are criticized for a million different errors too-- if I believed in all the reviews, I'd never have bought a 24-70, because it's allegedly screwed up in a million ways. I'm no Sigma fan particularly, but to say that they are a bad choice based on some user reviews isn't really opinion or fact, it's conjecture. The funny thing is that I have seen some negative comments about the Sigma 70-200, just like I've seen negative comments on pretty much every lens ever made by any manufacturer. Heck, there are a lot (note to 17-55 fans-- I am NOT trying to start some kind of fight here, read the whole post before mashing those angry reply buttons!) of conflicted reviews of your coming 17-55, yet the prevailing opinion seems to be that it's a great lens. When reading reviews by users you have to take into account a huge range of factors, partiularly that the vast majority of happy users will never talk about the lens in the way that unhappy users will, so you see the dissastisfied folks much more readily.

edit: all that said, my choice was the Canon 70-200 2.8 non-IS: I wanted to get every last possible drop of AF for shooting fast action sports, mostly (ie football soccer basketball etc).

Point taken and noted. However I'm not just going by reader reviews. There's articles which I'll gladly take the time to find tomorrow (going to bed now) which give a statistic on the amount of returns on Sigmas compared to other brands. I'm not bashing sigma, again, I'm sure their lenses are right up there with canons, I'm just going by what I read, and relaying the information to the OP for his benefit. What he does with the information is up to him, and that will ultimately lead to his final decision.



  
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Jan 31, 2007 10:08 |  #8

thanks for the replies guys but theres no need to go into the amount of lenses getting returned. I was just asking people for there personal opinions with these lenses. I've never owned a tele before and I want it to take good action photos but I'm a little scared that 200mm is a little short for surfing/kite surfing pictures I plan on taking. Thats why right now I'm leaning towards the sigma 100-300 since Ive read hardly any bad reviews, and the worst case if I get a bad copy I can exchange it.

But please help me in my decision.


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Jan 31, 2007 10:20 |  #9

Don't rule out the canon 100-400 L.




  
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Jan 31, 2007 10:24 |  #10

Oh god another lens gets thrown into the decision pool :p

jdm - the canon 70-200, if you have the money, is the way to go.



  
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Jan 31, 2007 10:40 |  #11

do you think its worth it to loose the f/stop and gain 100mm from going to the sigma?


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Jan 31, 2007 10:58 |  #12

It depends. for lowlight action, the 2.8 is invaluable. no f/4 will save you there. however, if your going for optics, AF, speed, etc, there is NOTHING WRONG with the sigma, but from a general point of view, you'll be extremely satisfied with the canon. if you really need the extra 100mm, then id suggest a whole new range entirely, like the one mdm mentioned, the famous 100-400L. You'll lose 30mm on the wide end, but gain 200mm on the long end. Theres another option. If I were you I'd read up and review these two and make your decision based completely on what you plan on shooting.

1. Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS
2. Canon EF 100-400L



  
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Jan 31, 2007 10:59 as a reply to  @ august23's post |  #13

Canon 70-200 f/2.8 with a 1.4 converter FTW!
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Jan 31, 2007 12:42 |  #14

august23 wrote in post #2629384 (external link)
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Read the billions of reviews on sigma lenses. They go one of two ways. Theyre either praised and work flawlessly, or they are considered mediocre and have compatability issues on cameras they're designed to work on. Its not an opinion, as I don't own any Sigma lenses, or any for that mater, the reviews speak for themselves. The only one without any complaint is the 70-200, and that has received nothing but praise.

Actually the 100-300 receives a ton of praise, as does the 70-200 versions, as does the 120-300 etc. etc.


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Jan 31, 2007 12:45 |  #15

I agree Mr. Clean, but people also deal with compatability issues on cameras theyre supposed to work on, something canon lenses don't ever happen to them.



  
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