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Mar 08, 2007 12:02 |  #1

some may call them vermin...even so that look cool i think:)

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Mar 09, 2007 05:23 |  #2

i thought peopel would have commented on these pcitures...ah well


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Mar 09, 2007 05:49 |  #3

I like the first one, it could do for a bit of cropping imo. The second is nice too, but treesharks in shadows scare me.


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Mar 09, 2007 06:30 |  #4

tpetty wrote in post #2841702 (external link)
I like the first one, it could do for a bit of cropping imo. The second is nice too, but treesharks in shadows scare me.

pleased you like them, i think i do need to crop the first one especially, i'll try it wehn i get home


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Mar 09, 2007 08:35 |  #5

I agree about cropping. Or get closer to the squirrels next time. Or get a longer lens. Actually the EXIF says f=300mm, so you must have been a long long way away from the squirrels. Like 50 or 100 feet. Personally I doubt you're going to get any good shots from that sort of distance.

You might also want to try adjusting the colours and lighting. #1 is dull and might benefit from a bit more contrast and saturation. #2 is under-exposed because you've metered for the sky rather than the squirrel.

Please appreciate that I'm trying to be helpful, but these look like pictures that have not had any thought put into them. You could probably do 100 times better if you spent a bit of time stalking the animlas to get closer (that does require patience), making sure the exposure was right, and then processing the images to get the best out of them.


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Mar 09, 2007 08:51 as a reply to  @ StewartR's post |  #6

they are great, with a little cropping they would be excellent!
nice try they are very hard to photograph sometimes, they are so fast
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Mar 09, 2007 10:57 |  #7

StewartR wrote in post #2842245 (external link)
I agree about cropping. Or get closer to the squirrels next time. Or get a longer lens. Actually the EXIF says f=300mm, so you must have been a long long way away from the squirrels. Like 50 or 100 feet. Personally I doubt you're going to get any good shots from that sort of distance.

You might also want to try adjusting the colours and lighting. #1 is dull and might benefit from a bit more contrast and saturation. #2 is under-exposed because you've metered for the sky rather than the squirrel.

Please appreciate that I'm trying to be helpful, but these look like pictures that have not had any thought put into them. You could probably do 100 times better if you spent a bit of time stalking the animlas to get closer (that does require patience), making sure the exposure was right, and then processing the images to get the best out of them.

don't worry i know that you are trying to help, and i appreciate it:)

after all i need as much help as i can!

When you say metering for the squirrel, not teh sky, what metering option should i use. Generally speaking i leave it set on the same metering for mosts shots (yes i know thsi is wrong, but i am but a mear apature/begginer)

They were along way away, and i did try to follow the buggers, but as somebody said, they are very very fast little creatures:(

Thansk for the comments all the same :)


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Mar 09, 2007 17:52 |  #8

willy b wrote in post #2842814 (external link)
When you say metering for the squirrel, not teh sky, what metering option should i use. Generally speaking i leave it set on the same metering for mosts shots (yes i know thsi is wrong, but i am but a mear apature/begginer)

OK, this is a big subject, and I'm not going to spoon feed you. But hopefully I can give you some pointers.

I have a 350D and it has 3 metering modes:
- evaluative: takes a meter reading of the whole picture and tries to work out what's what
- centre-weighted average: does what it says on the tin
- partial: only looks at the central 9% of the image
and I think your 400D also has
- spot: only looks at the central 3% of the image
(Check your manual.)

The camera's default behaviour is to set the exposure so that whatever it's metered off comes out as an average 18% grey shade. You need to bear this in mind and ask yourself whether that's an appropriate thing to do. If it isn't, you can choose a different metering mode and/or set some Exposure Compensation (EC) and/or bracket your exposures. When the subject (by which I mean whatever the camera is metering off, which may or may not be the main object of interest in your picture) is light, you need positive EC, because the default exposure won't be light enough; conversely. when the subject is dark, you need negative EC.

Many people here (myself included) recommend "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson. It's not expensive, well written, and hugely informative.

Anyway, looking at the pictures you posted: #2 is a difficult one for the camera to get right because there's such a lot of variation: bright sky in the backgrond, sunlit tree, squirrrel in the shade. I think the squirrel has come out under-exposed, and would have been better with a bit of EC. On the other hand the tree looks good. You could try tweaking the highlights/shadows controls in PhotoShop to bring up the exposure on the squirrel without burning out the tree and sky too much.

In #1, the lighting is flat and the picture might benefit from a bit more contrast. But the exposure in #1 looks OK.

If you enable "Image Editing OK" in your forum profile, I'll have a quick play with these in PhotoShop to show you what I had in mind.


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