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mblanton
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Mar 12, 2007 17:22 |  #1

It really frustrates me. All I want to do is master the technique of taking a simple outdoor portrait using fill flash, but I might as well be planning to take over the world. I've been practicing and practicing, but nothing seems to work. I have a Canon 10D, 28-135IS, and 420EX flash. I've shot in all modes (program, av, tv, and manual) and got disappointing results no matter what I do. Can someone help me put this to bed once and for all. I'm ready to give up.

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Mar 12, 2007 17:46 |  #2
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this thread is usless without pics...lol.... errr...post some photos so we can all see what yorue doing


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Mar 12, 2007 17:47 |  #3

saturnin wrote in post #2859947 (external link)
this thread is usless without pics...lol.... errr...post some photos so we can all see what yorue doing

Beat me to it, lol.

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Mar 12, 2007 18:04 |  #4

It really frustrates me. All I want to do is master the technique of taking a simple outdoor portrait using fill flash, but I might as well be planning to take over the world. I've been practicing and practicing, but nothing seems to work. I have a Canon 10D, 28-135IS, and 420EX flash. I've shot in all modes (program, av, tv, and manual) and got disappointing results no matter what I do. Can someone help me put this to bed once and for all. I'm ready to give up.

I don't know what you are doing wrong, but I can tell you a couple mistakes I've been known to make:
1. I like to set the flash exp. comp. to 0 indoors, forget that I want -2/3 stop for fill and blow highlights with the flash outdoors. This is the old standby screwup for me. It's especially a good one because it's hard to see the histogram in bright light to notice the blown highlights.
2. Another favorite, shoot a few shots in Av and then decide to fill flash for some shadows. I then forget that while I was just shooting at perhaps 1/1000 shutter speed, the flash synch will cut that to 1/200. EV 16, f/5.6 and synch speed of 1/200 = about three stops overexposed. If you are in Av mode and shooting, make sure that the combination of aperture you select does not require a shutter speed over 1/200 when you turn the flash on. I also didn't chimp the histogram that time because the sun was so bright. At least I did manage to lighten up those shadows under hat bills! No shadows whatsoever!


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Mar 12, 2007 18:07 |  #5

Hang in there, we can help ;)


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Mar 12, 2007 18:09 |  #6

Set your camera to M. Meter accordingly. Set your flash to ETTL.

Take picture.

If that is producing disastrous results, post a picture WITH exif information (don't do save for web).


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Mar 12, 2007 18:56 |  #7

Until you post some examples so we can help, check out this link
http://photonotes.org/​articles/eos-flash/ (external link)

It is in PDF format and may be the best reference out there for OS flash, the entire thing is in three parts


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Mar 12, 2007 19:41 as a reply to  @ Mike R's post |  #8

Thanks for replying and taking the time to try and help me. I've read all the post and I'm trying to let it all sink in. I've attached a photo that I took yesterday, so you can see what I'm talking about. I saw a photo in another thread that I really liked. I'll track it down and add the link so you can see what I'm actually trying to accomplish.

OK, here is an example of the type of lighting I am wanting. How is this done?

http://billycarr.smugm​ug.com/photos/13528831​0-L.jpg (external link)

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Mar 12, 2007 20:07 as a reply to  @ mblanton's post |  #9

I had another thought. Could "Auto reduction of fill flash" be causing the problem. I had this setting enabled. I'm going to disable it and the do some test shots tomorrow. Should I stick to a particular mode (AV, TV, M)????

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Mar 12, 2007 23:54 |  #10

mblanton wrote in post #2860531 (external link)
OK, here is an example of the type of lighting I am wanting. How is this done?
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Mar 13, 2007 00:14 as a reply to  @ BillMarks's post |  #11

:) You could always ask him yourself...:)

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=288616


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Mar 13, 2007 00:23 |  #12

mblanton wrote in post #2860531 (external link)
Thanks for replying and taking the time to try and help me. I've read all the post and I'm trying to let it all sink in. I've attached a photo that I took yesterday, so you can see what I'm talking about. I saw a photo in another thread that I really liked. I'll track it down and add the link so you can see what I'm actually trying to accomplish.

This is so funny. Completely inappropriate, but "you can't polish a turd" comes to mind.

That's my piece of silly humor for today. Don't take it personally - you have a beautiful daughter. But you shouldn't expect a bike and boobs to appear in the picture.

BUT: Your flash FILL LIGHT technique is fine. That's how it's supposed to look... at least out of the camera.

The picture you linked to has been done on a cloudy day. The fill light was soft - meaning large reflector or an umbrella. And then it was post processed to turn up the saturation and I also beleive the eyes were dodged. He says otherwise.

That's my SWAG.


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Mar 13, 2007 00:27 |  #13

Mike, there's nothing wrong with that shot. The flash minimized the harsh shadows from the sun. If you change your profile to allow image editing, I'm sure some folks can tweak it a bit.

The one from Billy Carr that you linked was taken with off-camera flash, and the model was in the shade.


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Mar 13, 2007 07:17 |  #14

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #2862063 (external link)
This is so funny. Completely inappropriate, but "you can't polish a turd" comes to mind.

That's my piece of silly humor for today. Don't take it personally - you have a beautiful daughter. But you shouldn't expect a bike and boobs to appear in the picture.

BUT: Your flash FILL LIGHT technique is fine. That's how it's supposed to look... at least out of the camera.

The picture you linked to has been done on a cloudy day. The fill light was soft - meaning large reflector or an umbrella. And then it was post processed to turn up the saturation and I also beleive the eyes were dodged. He says otherwise.

That's my SWAG.

hahaha, that was so mean. Bad Doc!! But its the truth I guess.
I think your shooting in way too bright conditions, fill flash can only do so much you know, cant beat the sun. Think about the lighting ratio man!!




  
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Mar 13, 2007 11:01 |  #15

For a posed shot like that, why use fill flash at all? Move to where the light is better.
VERY simple "outdoor studio" It doesn't get any easier than this.


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