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Is it in the "professionals rules" to have your speedlite's red web beams on?

 
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Jul 03, 2007 15:21 |  #1

If so how do you turn them off? A DJ told us that Videographers complain about photographers having those on during receptions and such. I guess I need to find out how to turn it off and if turning it off hurts the ETTL or other communication from my speedlite to camera. Just thought I'd see if that was a little known understanding that I wasn't hip to yet????????? :lol:


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Jul 03, 2007 15:29 |  #2

Go into your custom functions, and set custom function 5 to 1. Your focus accuracy will go down though, just so you know. Those red beams are the focus assist beam.


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Jul 03, 2007 15:38 |  #3

I think the videographers can suck it up since they ruin so many shots or have to borrow tripods and other gear.

They just seem to be so disorganized compared to still guys.


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Jul 03, 2007 15:42 |  #4

I'll turn mine off when the videographers turn their annoying deer lights off... (i.e. it won't happen).

It's professional to be able to get the shots we need to satisfy the client. The cameras we use focus more quickly and accurately with the AF assist. I, for one, can't see myself going to a bride after a wedding and saying , "Sorry I missed that once-in-a-lifetime inverted triple lutz leading into an aerial kiss during your first dance because my camera couldn't focus...but at least your video dude got it!"

And the video lights that videographers use mess up my exposures. But you know what, I adapt and I deal. I change my exposure to compensate for his/her lights. That's part of being professional. All the videographer has to do is shoot a different angle than me and he won't see the red web I'm casting...that's the professional thing for him/her to do!

Sorry if this sounds a little harsh, but I hate it when another vendor who's not a photographer, tries to tell me what is professional. That would be like you telling the DJ that the florist told you the "fact" that he's not professional if he uses a laptop instead of a dual CD deck


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Jul 03, 2007 15:47 as a reply to  @ jamiewexler's post |  #5

Okay, thanks guys! I wasn't sure how to approach it. I hate to annoy people but the client is paying for sharp work so what can you do? I've had shots where a videographers massive light casted huge shadows during important moments so they can deal with it I guess. I just didn't want to be breaking any photographer/videograp​her code. :rolleyes:


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Jul 03, 2007 15:50 |  #6

AF beam's staying on.

If there's a videographer I always ask which is more important to teh couple, photos or video, and act accordingly. Not one has said video's more important.


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Jul 03, 2007 15:52 |  #7
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Ive only shot one wedding so far that had a professional videographer at it and we had a great time with them and they said they had a blast with us ... I can see how other videographers could be a pain though.

Best part of the day was the first dance where they used their little video lights and so we shot without flash and got come of our best first dance shots so far.


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Jul 03, 2007 15:53 |  #8

The videographers just have to request that their suppliers puts to market software that can remove the red web. Photographers already have to spend a significant amount of money and time on software to get great results. Alas, software can't solve a missed shot...


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Jul 03, 2007 16:08 |  #9

Banbert wrote in post #3481290 (external link)
Ive only shot one wedding so far that had a professional videographer at it and we had a great time with them and they said they had a blast with us ... I can see how other videographers could be a pain though.

Best part of the day was the first dance where they used their little video lights and so we shot without flash and got come of our best first dance shots so far.

You know, I've never thought about doing that??? Turning my flash off when they have their lights on. Can you send me one to view? I'd like to see how they are better. Thanks for the advise!


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Jul 03, 2007 16:15 |  #10

The big, orange glow that so many little point and shoots put out seem worse to me than the assist beams - and no one is control of the the P&S people anyhow.


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Jul 03, 2007 16:16 |  #11

capturedexpressions wrote in post #3481366 (external link)
You know, I've never thought about doing that??? Turning my flash off when they have their lights on. Can you send me one to view? I'd like to see how they are better. Thanks for the advise!

It works if the vid light is powerful enough, and the couple is dancing slowly enough... I finally gave up and did just that with the videographer at this wedding:

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Jul 03, 2007 16:28 |  #12

A good vid. light is a great oppty. I recently worked with a great video guy who asked me where I wanted the light during the dances - I had on my 50mm @ 1600 iso and the dance shots are great because he kept the lights on for me.


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Jul 03, 2007 16:32 |  #13

The AF beam helps me not have to make refunds...... I don't like refunds.....


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capturedexpressions wrote in post #3481366 (external link)
You know, I've never thought about doing that??? Turning my flash off when they have their lights on. Can you send me one to view? I'd like to see how they are better. Thanks for the advise!

Well were certainly no experts and I deffo arent trying to give that impression and I am sure many people have had bad experiences with Videographers just like the one we have worked with so far was telling us he had bad experience with photographers, but our one experience so far was very good and we chatted a lot to them during the day and set up quite a few scenes together so we could both get what we wanted.

For the first dance they had two cameras and we just stayed near one each for most of the first dance underneath them but to get the benefit of their lights.

Sorry this ones a bit small but its copied from our blog, we got nice shadows from their lights though.

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Jul 03, 2007 17:03 |  #15

I wonder what the B&G/guests thought when they had two video camera guys and two photographers orbiting the B&G during their first dance.


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