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Aug 29, 2007 10:53 |  #1

I have a canon 400D, and would like to buy 2 lenses. A general purpose lens like the 17-55 IS, and a telephoto, the 70-200 f/2.8, that I can also use with an extendeur 1.4, to take pictures of animals.... but I don't really know if IS is really usefull for the 70-200. The price between the IS and the non IS is pretty big ( 1700S for IS and 1140S for non IS). Some advices?


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Aug 29, 2007 10:57 |  #2
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Yes, get the 70-200 IS now, or later you will sell your 70-200 nonIS for the IS and lose money. Hope that makes sense.


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Aug 29, 2007 11:00 |  #3

That was I thought.... put a bit more money and be happy with it!!!!


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Aug 29, 2007 11:01 |  #4

get the 70-200 F4 IS instead


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Aug 29, 2007 11:17 |  #5

jmagic wrote in post #3820417 (external link)
get the 70-200 F4 IS instead

Agree, if your shooting animals in day light and want a lighter solution the 4IS would be a good choice.

You may find 200 or 280 with TC still a little short for shooting animals...




  
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Aug 29, 2007 13:15 |  #6

Don't you think the f/4 with an extendeur will be too slow to capture animals or wildlife?


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Aug 29, 2007 13:26 |  #7

Define wildlife, I'd say providing your in day light f5.6 would be enough, many people happily shoot with 400 f/5.6's but will 280mm be enough length....




  
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Aug 31, 2007 15:54 |  #8

boubou wrote in post #3820376 (external link)
I have a canon 400D, and would like to buy 2 lenses. A general purpose lens like the 17-55 IS, and a telephoto, the 70-200 f/2.8, that I can also use with an extendeur 1.4, to take pictures of animals.... but I don't really know if IS is really usefull for the 70-200. The price between the IS and the non IS is pretty big ( 1700S for IS and 1140S for non IS). Some advices?

If you can afford the IS by all means buy that one. But I almost always use my 70-200 f2.8 non IS on a monopod, and the monopod is a form of Image Stabilization. I had to decide the same thing about four years ago and chose the non IS and I haven't regretted it at all. It might look cool to handhold a camera with the 70-200 but it's going to be very heavy. I prefer the monopod to take the weight rather than my arms and that kind of makes IS less important. If you were planning on using the lens in a situation that doesn't allow for the use of a monopod - say you are shooting from a sailboat or an aircraft, then the IS would be much more important, at least to me.

Now the 2.8 part of those lenses is critical. You can't get that one stop of subject stopping shutterspeed from IS, but you can with f2.8 rather than f4. And when you add an extender the AF in you camera is not going to be very happy with an f5.6 lens, assuming that you put one on the 70-200 f4.


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Aug 31, 2007 16:44 |  #9

I have the exact setup that you are trying to decide on, and I can easily say that the IS version of the 70-200 is worth every penny. It's a VERY useful feature for this lens


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Aug 31, 2007 16:49 |  #10

i have the 70-200mm f2.8 non is and love it with a 2x teleconverter


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Aug 31, 2007 18:14 |  #11

david_usmarine wrote in post #3836136 (external link)
i have the 70-200mm f2.8 non is and love it with a 2x teleconverter

You use a 2x extender?? That's encouraging, I haven't heard anything good about the 2x. I was thinking of selling my non IS and buying the f4 IS, but if the 2x works well with the 2.8 I might reconsider!


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Aug 31, 2007 18:43 as a reply to  @ ShotByTom's post |  #12

Definately agree, the IS on the 70-200 is worth every penny!! I personally wouldn't want the lens w/o it. And get the 2.8 if you can swing it, much more flexible than the 4.0 in low light conditions...


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Aug 31, 2007 18:45 |  #13

The f4 IS is a nice lens. But I went with the 2.8 IS because I shoot indoors a lot without flash. The extra $ is worth it. That lens is amazing.


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Aug 31, 2007 18:49 |  #14
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If your main reason for the 70-200 is for wildlife, save your disappointment and get the 400 5.6. The 70-200 is a good carry around lens...but way too short for any wildlife that is outside of a zoo.




  
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Aug 31, 2007 18:51 |  #15

boubou wrote in post #3821197 (external link)
Don't you think the f/4 with an extendeur will be too slow to capture animals or wildlife?

I use the 70-200 f/4 non IS and 1.4x tcon in daylight and even into dusk of wildlife such as birds with no problem. Add a monopod and you can shoot relatively low shutter speeds at longest FL easily down to 1/160. This combo is pretty cheap too. 98-280mm for about $800.

For my situation IS would be nice but not critical. One thing that I would like though, and something you may consider is the effect the aperture has on your shots. If you really want to isolate subjects and get better bokeh the 2.8s will be better. That is not to say that the f/4s are bad by any means though.

Also, have you ever handled any of these 70-200s? They 70-200 f/4 is super light and the 2.8 IS is larger and quite heavy after a while. I don't really mind the weight and size but some people find it too much. You may want to consider this.

Oh, forgot to add that IMHO, based on experience with the f/4, f/2.8, and f/2.8 IS the f/4 hands down has the best IQ. My copy is quite sharp throughout the FL and throughout the apertures and there is virtually no CA or purple fringing anytime. The other lenses had these issues to some degree.




  
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