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24-70 & 70-200 comparison - at Old Trafford

 
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Sep 13, 2007 13:06 |  #1

I am fortunate to live close to Old Trafford Stadium (home of Manchester United). I was doubly fortunate to be able to visit the 2007 Canon Roadshow held there earlier this week.

I attended a couple of seminars, got to play with a Canon 600mm F1.4 attatched to a 30D and more importantly compare a Canon 24-70 f2.8 with my 70-200 f2.8 on my 30D.

Both Lenses were set at 70mm and f2.8 and each shot was taken within seconds of one another (just long enough for me to detatch the 24-70 and hand it back to the Canon rep, and attatch my 70-200).

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The above was the 24-70L at 70mm, f2.8 and 1/800. Approx 100% crop.

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The above is my 70-200 f2.8 at 70mm at 1/1000 and approx 100% crop. Don't ask me why I needed to up the shutter speed as both photos were less than 30 seconds apart. Both images were handheld, and taken in raw and then converted in digital Photo Professional to .jpg.

The 24-70 L was my next intended purchase but now I am not so sure. I bought the 70-200 f2.8 L on its reputation, and it was justified. The 24-70 f2.8 L I tested is so much softer I can not believe it.

Not only was this a Lens chosen by Canon to demonstrate it's quality, the attending employee denied (to me, after repeated questions) any knowledge of the 24-70 being returned for calibration through disatisfaction (at this point I only had POTN to go on with regard sharpness). They did confirm all Lenses have an international Warranty, but Bodies have a local waranty.

In conclusion, If I do splash out on a 24-70 L it will not be from Hong Kong but it willl be a well proven example from a UK shop I can visit in person. I will expect it to match my 70-200 in sharpness, and If I can't I will live without.

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Sep 13, 2007 14:17 |  #2

In case you weren't aware, this link (external link) provides you comparsions of the various lenses IQ using different focal & aperture settings.


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Sep 13, 2007 14:39 |  #3

ikolpdog wrote in post #3922443 (external link)
I will expect it to match my 70-200 in sharpness, and If I can't I will live without.


Looks like you may be living without. For a 100% crop from a 24-70 2.8L, that looks just fine. 70-200's are easier to make, and are sharper than standard zooms. They just are.

You also can't expect one shot to tell you much about a lens. You need to use it, get used to the size, shape, and operation/handling of a lens before you can say "that's no good".


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Sep 13, 2007 15:27 |  #4

Oh! The EF 600 f/1.4L must be a pretty new one. Haven't heard of it before...:p Any information regarding the price? Are we talking under ₤50.000?

...and by the way...should I change my avatar? :D


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Sep 13, 2007 15:43 |  #5

Kristian wrote in post #3923396 (external link)
Oh! The EF 600 f/1.4L must be a pretty new one. Haven't heard of it before...:p Any information regarding the price? Are we talking under ₤50.000?

...and by the way...should I change my avatar? :D

I was sober, I saw the lens, I read the plate stating it's capability, the person looking through it before me commented on it. I personally looked through a 30 D attatched to the lens. I also accept that I cannot find reference to a f1.4, and for that I appologise. I must have misread the capability of this lens, as did a number of people around me. It won't be my last mistake......but you know that with your Scouse avatar.


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Sep 13, 2007 15:57 as a reply to  @ Kristian's post |  #6

damn....70-200 F4L IS is freaking SHARP according to that lens. From open to closed up that thing is SHARP. I looked up 2 primes that i want to get and neither of them is as sharp as the 70-200 that just can't be right.


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Sep 13, 2007 16:07 |  #7

Kristian wrote in post #3923396 (external link)
Oh! The EF 600 f/1.4L must be a pretty new one. Haven't heard of it before...:p Any information regarding the price? Are we talking under ₤50.000?

...and by the way...should I change my avatar? :D

I believe that Canons L lenses read 1:4, which is where he got confused. Cut the man a break :-p.


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Sep 13, 2007 16:37 |  #8

Mortgage101 wrote in post #3923536 (external link)
damn....70-200 F4L IS is freaking SHARP according to that lens. From open to closed up that thing is SHARP. I looked up 2 primes that i want to get and neither of them is as sharp as the 70-200 that just can't be right.

You surprised?

70-200 f/4L IS is Canon's sharpest zoom from my testings and it seems to be only a TINY bit softer than the 135mm f/2L at f/4 and 200mm f/2.8L at f/4. The 85 f/1.2L and the mark II version are both much softer than the 70-200 f/4L IS at 85mm.


The lens is amazing! I love it myself too, I am dying to get it instead of my f/4L non-IS.


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Sep 13, 2007 20:16 |  #9

aero145 wrote in post #3923756 (external link)
The 85 f/1.2L and the mark II version are both much softer than the 70-200 f/4L IS at 85mm.

The 85's are much better between f/1.2 and f/4, though. ;-)a Three stops more light is something to talk about.

Oh, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 70-200f/4L IS comparo to the 85L. Very interesting indeed.


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Sep 13, 2007 21:40 |  #10

I'd love the 70-200 F4 if I didn't shoot at under F4 so much. Maybe when I get the 40D the ISO levels will be better and boosting to 1600 won't be so bad.


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Sep 14, 2007 01:56 |  #11

Ronald S. Jr. wrote in post #3925117 (external link)
The 85's are much better between f/1.2 and f/4, though. ;-)a Three stops more light is something to talk about.

Oh, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 70-200f/4L IS comparo to the 85L. Very interesting indeed.


Heeeeeyyy Ronald, I'm talking about IQ not here, not amount of light. :lol: :D


I guess that if you take 85/1.2L, 100/2.8 macro, 135/2L, 200/2.8L and the 70-200 f/4L IS and compare the 70-200 on the same focal lengths as the other lenses and have all lenses at f/4, the 70-200 doesn't slouch, is just as sharp.


Light doesn't matter as much to me as sharpness, that's why I'm talking about this. :p


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Sep 14, 2007 01:59 |  #12

Thing is, Canon has international warranty on their lenses like you mentioned so why not buy cheaper from HK? If the warranty wasn't international I'd understand.


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Sep 14, 2007 03:18 |  #13

that is not bad at all



  
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Sep 14, 2007 12:49 |  #14

Kristian, yes change it asap - maybe a dustbin or giro or somebody stealing something or a shell suit or a ..... PS whats the only ship never to have docked in Merseyside? The Premiership.




  
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Sep 14, 2007 13:03 |  #15

As requested... (offtopic I know)


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