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Noise reduction assistance is needed, Please!!!!

 
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Oct 10, 2007 20:14 |  #1

Hi. I shot a train today, and need to print it. However, PS Elements 5.0 does NOT have the NR I need on this, and I was hoping that there are some kind souls out here on the best Photo Forum, who can help me!!!!!

The photo DOES need cropping, and a little straightening, I know, but if someone can do the NR, first, I would greatly appreciate it!!!!!!! Or, if it is BETTER to crop and straighten first, let me know that, as well!!! then I will re-post for NR...

Thanks!!!!

(PS. I am working on buying a plug in program, once I can figure out if I want Noise Ninja, NoiseWare or NeatImage. So, any suggestions would help, too!!!!
Thanks in Advance!!!!!!!):D:D

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Oct 10, 2007 20:22 |  #2

I don't see any noise problems at this size, what I see is a dirty sensor. Use the healing brush or spot tool in PS to get rid of them. Use the ruler tool and rotation if you want it straight.


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Oct 10, 2007 20:27 |  #3

tim wrote in post #4102875 (external link)
I don't see any noise problems at this size, what I see is a dirty sensor. Use the healing brush or spot tool in PS to get rid of them. Use the ruler tool and rotation if you want it straight.

I understand that. the sensor crud was not what I was asking help with.

Please see the newly cropped, dirty sensor crud removed and straightened version!!!!:D:D

When it is enlarged, it is noisy to me..:(:( And this WILL need to be enlarged..

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Oct 10, 2007 20:37 |  #4

...I can clean it up, but you need to post a link to a much larger version; this one here is pretty small.

...unless this is all you have, in which case I can post one.

BTW, you can download free noise reduction software trials.


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Oct 10, 2007 20:43 |  #5

hortonsl62 wrote in post #4102971 (external link)
...I can clean it up, but you need to post a link to a much larger version; this one here is pretty small.

...unless this is all you have, in which case I can post one.

BTW, you can download free noise reduction software trials.

OK. How do i post a link to a larger version? I use Photobucket. Or is Flickr better at maintaining size??? (I just started using Flickr)

I did download the so-called free trials, but when you hit OK, you get grids all over the photo!!!! Most unattractive!!!!!!

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Oct 10, 2007 20:45 |  #6

IMAGE NOT FOUND
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Oct 10, 2007 20:46 |  #7

I don't know how to post a big link from photobucket -- Perhaps a POTN member does and will chime in to help!


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Oct 10, 2007 20:47 |  #8

hortonsl62 wrote in post #4103020 (external link)
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

Holy crap, that looks good!!!!

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Now, if I can just save it, and maintain what you did!!!!

Please advise.
Which NR software do you use?? Between the three, I cannot seem to make up my feeble mind!!!!!!!!

Thnak you, thank you, thank you!!!!!! :D

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Oct 10, 2007 20:49 as a reply to  @ Jostel's post |  #9

Wowzer!!!! it saved just as nice!!!!!!! thank you again!!!

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Oct 10, 2007 20:54 |  #10

I personally prefer to leave the noise, as noise reduction is also detail reduction. If anything i'd mask off areas of solid color and just do NR there.


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Oct 10, 2007 21:17 |  #11

tim wrote in post #4103074 (external link)
I personally prefer to leave the noise, as noise reduction is also detail reduction. If anything i'd mask off areas of solid color and just do NR there.

Yeah, I can understand that. But when I enlarge it, it just seems tooo noisy, and from what was done, not too much detail gone. It is for a calendar, so it will be bigger; so the less grain, the better!!!!!

But thanks for your input!!!!!!!! :D


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Oct 10, 2007 21:54 |  #12

Noiseware/Pro, but with custom settings. No matter what you choose, you'll eventually want to control it as Tim points out.

Only the train and sky ended up with NR, and the photo was a touch soft, so it also got a layer with emboss to sharpen it and just a very slight burn on a couple of parts.

When you get deep into it, go back to this photo someday, hit the whole thing with noise reduction, then look at what happens to the railbed at left, in the shadows.......... then you'll see exactly what Tim's talking about very clearly.


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Oct 10, 2007 22:07 |  #13

The noisewear free version does not put grids on the finished photos

http://www.imagenomic.​com/download.aspx (external link)

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Oct 10, 2007 22:44 |  #14

The EXIF data indicates:
Shutter = 1/320 second
Aperture - f/29
ISO = 1600
Lens FL = 22 mm

I am intrigued by these values because:

1. The f/stop is very critical for sensor spots to show up,

2. f/29 will definitely result in degradation due to diffraction,

3. ISO 1600, will not help the noise issue,

4. With a focal length of 22 mm, at f/8, and this lens focused at 14 feet, everything from 6.00 feet to infinity would be in focus.

5. At f/8 (less than four stops from f/29, and ISO 100 (four stops from 1600), the same shutter speed could be used, and this combination would would yield good DOF, movement control, and eliminate dust and noise.

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Oct 11, 2007 08:18 as a reply to  @ Glenn NK's post |  #15

Thank you for that info. I am still learning on the proper f stops, ( and obviously did a lousy job on this one!!!!) and such, so to have a flow chart likes yours, is very helpful and appreciated!!!

I have a hard time going between the AV and the TV ad when to know when to use which one!!!! :o

Thanks again!!! I may have another opportunity tomorrow to shoot again, but unsure if weather will be the same as it was Wednesday!!!!:D


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