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Thread started 11 Dec 2007 (Tuesday) 15:13

# Bree In High Key

Dec 12, 2007 15:15 |  #16
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Benji wrote in post #4491976
Well of course it isn't a high key image, I'm posting at POTN! Anywhere else (including Brooks Institute) an image where her clothing, the prop, her jewelry, her skin tones and the background are all in the 236 to 240 range would be a high key image. In this image all of the above mentioned items are in the 236 to 240 range. I'm not sure what else it needs to be to be a high key image. Everything above 255? Overexposed skin? Nope. This is a high key image. Sorry guys.

Benji

lol

you're giving a mathematical value to a definition that has never had one. If that works for your school, great. I'm just telling you in the real world, that wouldn't fly.

Obviously you don't agree and thats fine, I'll take my brooks background and offer help elsewhere.

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Dec 12, 2007 15:41 |  #17

viperx27 wrote in post #4492048
lol

you're giving a mathematical value to a definition that has never had one. If that works for your online school, great. I'm just telling you in the real world, that wouldn't fly.

Obviously you don't agree and thats fine, I'll take my brooks background and offer help elsewhere.

What is so unmathematical about middle key? That was and is a very accurate definition in the film world and 128 is defined as the middle key in the digital world. I don't know of any knowledgable photographer who would say that the term middle key, Zone V and 128 are three entirely different things photographically.

I'm looking at a scale written by master photographer Bruce D. Roberts (PPA) that clearly shows 128, Zone V and middle tone as one and the same. It shows the 10 zones from Zone 0 to Zone 10 and the equivalent digital scale of 0 through 255, the very same 3 1/3 rd stop range used for years in film exposure. Dead center in his scale is 128, Zone V.

I rest my case.

Benji

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Dec 12, 2007 15:53 |  #18
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well you won't listen to reason, so I'll let you be. But I would just tell you put a little less credibility in schools and organizations that will give you credentials just for throwing money at them.

Have fun and keep shooting.

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Dec 12, 2007 15:54 |  #19

Benji.

My verdict is.....Its still a "Very nice Picture" What ever school of thought that you and other poster's are followers of.

YNWA.

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Dec 12, 2007 17:36 |  #20

It's funny.. how it depends on where you are and who knows you.. as to whether you get any respect.....

on another forum.. Benji is known as an expert with 25+ yrs experience in the photography field I believe.. and has a very successful photography studio...

He writes Tutorials.. and even sells DVD's with his advice on them...

Here.... he's attacked for posting an image.. and trying to explain to those who may not know.. what 'type' (aka high key) of image he's posted.

Btw.. I think this is a beautiful image.. that most anyone would be proud to have taken themselves!

~Rae~

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Dec 13, 2007 04:53 |  #21

I do not see where he was "attacked" in this thread. If you go somewhere new and you have been in the business 25 years it makes no difference respect is gained not a given.

No one said the image is bad but the discussion is more around if it is high key or not.

Benji must have known that he was going to have objections to his high key statement as his first post on this thread is already on the defensive.

Dave

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Dec 13, 2007 05:02 |  #22

her left arm looks broken...paralysed...i​ts position does not looks good...she has some hot spots in her face....and the hair area looks fake....overall its a good portrait....

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Dec 13, 2007 10:23 |  #23

Attacked.. or not respected.. or whatever...... you wish to call it...... something happened here.. a misunderstanding I'd like to think....

As for going somewhere new.. he has over 700 posts on POTN.. and joined here in Jan 2006 .... hardly seems new to me.

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Dec 13, 2007 10:50 |  #24

Very nice picture...

Heather S.
"We look at the world and see what we have learned to believe is there. We have been conditioned to expect... but, as photographers, we must learn to relax our beliefs.

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Dec 13, 2007 12:37 |  #25

Perhaps this is the image I should have posted under Bree In High Key, then I would not have gotten any arguments. Everyone would have gone oooh and aaaw over it

Benji

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Dec 13, 2007 12:43 |  #26

Benji wrote in post #4497914
Perhaps this is the image I should have posted under Bree In High Key, then I would not have gotten any arguments. Everyone would have gone oooh and aaaw over it

Benji

If you have such a problem with the people of POTN, why are you here posting your photos?

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Dec 13, 2007 12:54 |  #27

justincase724 wrote in post #4497951
If you have such a problem with the people of POTN, why are you here posting your photos?

Because I'm basically mean and nasty! Not to mention old and ugly and not real bright, but, I'm bright enough that my mother calls me ....son.

Ben

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Dec 13, 2007 12:56 as a reply to  @ Benji's post |  #28

I don't care what you call it, but have you got any more?

Mike, The Keeper of the Archive

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Dec 13, 2007 12:56 |  #29

Benji wrote in post #4498020
Because I'm basically mean and nasty! Not to mention old and ugly and not real bright, but, I'm bright enough that my mother calls me ....son.

Ben

Hey, at least you have a great sense of humor, huh? Thanks for the laugh!

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Dec 13, 2007 12:58 |  #30

I will say I like the pose on the second one a lot better. I know you were trying to make a point, but I'm sure the actual version of that would be a much better shot than the first you posted.

Amanda

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