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Jan 13, 2008 17:21 |  #1

I recently purchased a used 20D and am having it converted by Life Pixels to deep B&W IR. Someplace in some forum some time ago I saw a list of which EF and EF-S lenses work well for IR. I have a 17-40L, a 28-105L, a 100 micro and a 35 1.4L I use on my 5D. I am considering the 17-85 for the 20D if I need to buy a separate lens. I remember that some do not do well because they have IR hot spots. I have searched many of the forums and cannot find this list. Can someone give me a link to the list or just copy it to a reply please.


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Jan 13, 2008 17:34 |  #2

I am interested in seeing this list as well. :)


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Jan 13, 2008 17:43 |  #3

found this in less than a minute on google

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Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5
Canon EF 17-40mm f/4 L
Canon EF-S 17-85 f/4-5.6 IS
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS
Canon EF 28-135mm/3.5-5.6 IS
Canon EF 28mm f/2.8
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 MKI
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 MKII
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L
Canon EF 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 IS
Canon EF 135mm f/2 L
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4-5.6 L IS
Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro
Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5 L
Nikon 18-55 mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S G ED DX
Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5 AF-S G ED DX
Nikon 24-70 mm f/3.5-5.6 UC
Nikon 35-70 mm f/2.8 AF D
Nikon 35-70 mm f/3.3-4.5 AF (1986) (*)
Nikon 35-135 mm f/3.5-4.5 AF
Nikon 70-210 mm f/4.0-5.6 D
Nikon 20 mm f/2.8 D
Nikon 20 mm f/3.5 AI-S
Nikon 28 mm f/3.5 PC AI-S
Nikon 85 mm f/1.8 Pre-AI MF (*)
MTO 500mm f/8
Sigma 400mm f/5.6
Tamron 28-300mm XR
Lensbaby 50 mm f/2.8
Peleng 8 mm fisheye
Phoenix 100 mm f/3.5 macro
Sigma 105 mm f/2.8 EX DG macro (*)
Vivitar 24 mm f/2.8 MF (*)


may produce hot spot

Sigma 10-20 mm f/4.0-5.6 EX DC HSM (*)
Sigma 70-200 mm f/2.8
Canon EF 85 mm f/1.8
Canon EF 200 mm f/2.8 L

bad for IR

Canon EF 15mm f/2.8 fisheye
Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8 L
Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
Canon EF 20mm f/2.8
Canon EF 20-35mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Canon EF 24/2.8
Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5
Canon EF 28-70mm f/2.8 L
Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5
Canon EF 35mm f/2
Canon EF 35-80mm f/4-5.6
Canon EF 50mm f/1.4
Canon EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS
Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO
Canon EF 85mm f/1.8
Nikon 12-24 mm f/4.0 G IF-ED AF-S DX
Nikon AF 50 mm f/1.8 D
Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5

Sigma 18-50 mm f/2.8 EX
Sigma 30 mm f/1.4
Tamron 17-50 mm f/2.8 SP AF XR Di
Tamron 18-200 mm f/3.5-6.3 AF XR (IF) Di-II
Tamron 17-35mm
Tamron 19-35mm
Tamron 70-300mm Macro
Tokina 12-24mm

Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50 mm f/1.4 (for Contax)


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Jan 13, 2008 19:03 |  #4

Hey, thanks for the list. I wondered why the images turned out horrible with my 50/1.4 . Soon to get the 100mm 2.8 macro. Now I will get better results. Thanks again.


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Jan 13, 2008 20:25 |  #5

This list should be put in a sticky somewhere, no?




  
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Jan 13, 2008 20:57 |  #6

JBStitt & T.Hogan,
Well that list isn't so accurate!
ex. my Canon 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 is excellent with IR photos.
ex2. my Canon 50mm f/1.4 is not good for IR photos and gives hot spots. (accidentally put 100mm f/2.8 but that lens is fine for IR, meant 50 f/1.4)
ex3. my Canon 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L is good for IR photos

However this is when using a Hoya R72 IR filter with a standard sensor. When using a converted sensor you might not have the same problems because of the much quicker exposures.

Oh here is the link posted on POTN for lenses for IR use (has some errors) EF Lens FAQ <-- click to see


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Jan 13, 2008 21:01 |  #7

im curious as to why some are "bad for IR" ... i mean i understand some probably produce better results but just curious considering some very nice lenses are under the bad list.

70-200 F4 is good 70-200 F2.8 is bad?


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Jan 13, 2008 21:10 |  #8

also... what makes them "bad"? Is it just that the images they produce are not good or they don't achieve proper focus?


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Jan 13, 2008 21:13 |  #9

neil85,
My guess is it depends on what glass or what the glass is coated with in the lens (just a guess) :)

photobitz,
They give a hot spot, ex. the 50mm f/1.4 will give a circular hot spot that takes up to 1/2 of the photo in the center and looks over exposed by 2-4 stops compared to the rest of the photo.


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Jan 13, 2008 22:16 |  #10

John_B wrote in post #4697310 (external link)
They give a hot spot, ex. the 50mm f/1.4 will give a circular hot spot that takes up to 1/2 of the photo in the center and looks over exposed by 2-4 stops compared to the rest of the photo.

Is it because of coatings or the shape of the lens elements? I suspect aspherical elements that are optimised for visible light may not do so well with light at wavelengths outside that spectrum. Same for high RI glass and other correction methods? Flourite lenses should do pretty well shouldn't they?


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Jan 13, 2008 23:36 |  #11

I thought the good and bad lenses for IR were with respect to shooting IR with a filter only and if you had a actual converted camera all lenses would work fine...


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Jan 14, 2008 00:01 |  #12

ben_r_ wrote in post #4698189 (external link)
I thought the good and bad lenses for IR were with respect to shooting IR with a filter only and if you had a actual converted camera all lenses would work fine...

That would depend on what sort of conversion it was... You can either replace the hotmirror with IR filter material (no need for filter) or with clear glass (still requires filter but you can also do UV photography etc.)


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Jan 14, 2008 00:04 |  #13

ben_r_ wrote in post #4698189 (external link)
I thought the good and bad lenses for IR were with respect to shooting IR with a filter only and if you had a actual converted camera all lenses would work fine...


Well John and I have noticed dissimilar results, and he uses a filter and I a converted camera, so it may be there is a difference to be seen, but there are still "bad" lenses on converted cameras.. i'm just trying to recall which ones I know were bad now.. the 85mm f/1.8 for one.


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Jan 14, 2008 00:04 |  #14

xarqi wrote in post #4696908 (external link)
This list should be put in a sticky somewhere, no?

Have you read any of the stickies? ;)

although this list above has grown a good deal,. I wonder what the source are for the additions?


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Jan 14, 2008 06:35 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #15

I had my 10D converted by Lifepixel (standard conversion and calibrated for the 50mm lens). I've been using the 17-40L on it without any problems whatsoever. Lifepixel will only commit to the 50mm lens setup (if you want to use a different lens, you'd have to send them the lens along with the camera) for the basic fee.

That being said, I recommend that you try each of your lenses with the IR camera to see what works for you. Since the 17-40L works fine on the 10D, I would suspect that the 17-40L on your 20D would be no different. The list is a good starting point, but like anything else that's posted on the internet, take it with a grain of salt and check your individual lenses. Here's a quick test pic that was taken with the 17-40L:

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