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Jan 25, 2008 03:38 |  #16

Dr. Flynn wrote in post #4778621 (external link)
This is probably why are you aren't the CEO of canon. :rolleyes:

hahahaha yeah you're right:)




  
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Jan 25, 2008 03:48 |  #17

Compared to 40D and 1d mk3 which have 14bit A/D and similar pixel count it is inferior in noise performance. But it could be really good backup body. Colors are very nice though.


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Jan 25, 2008 03:51 |  #18
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adrianarh wrote in post #4778665 (external link)
Compared to 40D and 1d mk3 which have 14bit A/D and similar pixel count it is inferior in noise performance. But it could be really good backup body. Colors are very nice though.

yes! with spot metering! I remember when I decided to go with the 30d over the 20d because of spot metering. now its in the rebel!

good lord! More tools for people to invest large amounts of money on to take crapy pictures of ducks and family members at thanksgiving with.

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Jan 25, 2008 03:58 |  #19

BEEEsH wrote in post #4778248 (external link)
If the noise isn't AT LEAST better than the 400d, then Canon dropped the ball big time.

People know the difference between Image Quality and Megapixels, especially experienced users.

At the end of the day, the xxxD series are "consumer" bodies, enthusiasts would more likely have the xxD series or higher spec (costs permitting).

When did you hear a "consumer" complain about noise?...I'd be surprised if you have.
When did you hear a "consumer" enthuse about Mega-pixels...I'd be surprised if you haven't.

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Jan 25, 2008 04:06 |  #20

Dr. Flynn wrote in post #4778675 (external link)
yes! with spot metering! I remember when I decided to go with the 30d over the 20d because of spot metering. now its in the rebel!

good lord! More tools for people to invest large amounts of money on to take crapy pictures of ducks and family members at thanksgiving with.

haha

Not that impressed with the samples looks like a 400D image.
Nikon have had spot metering on their entry level cams for ages so this is well overdue.


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Jan 25, 2008 11:49 |  #21

Canon Bob wrote in post #4778699 (external link)
At the end of the day, the xxxD series are "consumer" bodies, enthusiasts would more likely have the xxD series or higher spec (costs permitting).

When did you hear a "consumer" complain about noise?...I'd be surprised if you have.
When did you hear a "consumer" enthuse about Mega-pixels...I'd be surprised if you haven't.

Bob

So I guess consumers were enthusing about the spot metering as well? or Highlight Tone Priority?

The point I'm trying to make is that (in a series)a newer camera with newer technology should be better than an older camera with older technology; its just the principle. I've used the rebel series since it came out and the XSi seems more of a gimmick than a worthy upgrade. Instead of genuinely working on improving image quality/iso performance, they took the cheap way out and increased the resolution. Not to mention how current users looking for a suitable upgrade have to buy new gear because you have to buy new batteries, a new grip, and new memory cards.

Consumers are far smarter today than they ever were; 75% of them doing their research beforehand. I know this because I deal with them and its no wonder why Canon got absolutely RAPED by Nikon this holiday season. From a marketing standpoint, you could sell three times as many cameras advertising your award for "best image quality in a consumer SLR."

Though I am being harsh on canon and particularly the XSi, I won't pass anymore judgment until I've actually played with the camera and completed my own tests.


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Jan 25, 2008 11:54 |  #22

Canon Bob wrote in post #4778699 (external link)
At the end of the day, the xxxD series are "consumer" bodies, enthusiasts would more likely have the xxD series or higher spec (costs permitting).

When did you hear a "consumer" complain about noise?...I'd be surprised if you have.
When did you hear a "consumer" enthuse about Mega-pixels...I'd be surprised if you haven't.

Bob

What am I?

I'd venture to bet that most of the people who complain about noise on this forum are NOT professional photographers.

Meaning that they're consumers. Like me.


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Jan 25, 2008 11:59 |  #23

BEEEsH wrote in post #4778248 (external link)
If the noise isn't AT LEAST better than the 400d, then Canon dropped the ball big time.

People know the difference between Image Quality and Megapixels, especially experienced users.

So many buyers are taken aside by likes of the Ritz and Best Buy type sales people that the more the megapixels the better the IQ.




  
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Jan 25, 2008 12:23 |  #24

The MP race in cameras seems analagous to the HP race in cars; both impress most buyers, and both sell product, and neither add to the real value (usefulness) of the product.

Perhaps the limitations of current sensor technology have been approached (as are the limitations of the internal combustion engine).

How much gimmickry is required to make the higher MP sensor work, and how fast do you really need to go when you hit the concrete wall head on?


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Jan 25, 2008 13:07 |  #25

I'm a consumer and I bought my 400 @ Best Buy. It's my 1st SLR and we all start some where. So I'm a newbie. l feel like I've offended the "pro's" here for being new to Photography.




  
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Jan 25, 2008 13:12 |  #26

PDCCrazy wrote in post #4781273 (external link)
I'm a consumer and I bought my 400 @ Best Buy. It's my 1st SLR and we all start some where. So I'm a newbie. l feel like I've offended the "pro's" here for being new to Photography.

Me too.

A lot of the "pros" have been incredibly insulting and dismissive with their comments about this new camera.


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Jan 25, 2008 16:11 |  #27

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Wow, how many people that are trying to save money with a less expensive body are going to be shooting with a $1500+ 85L1.2?? I agree, lets see some pictures with the 85 1.8 or the 28-135 IS zoom.

The pictures are nice tho, what I would expect from Canon.

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Jan 25, 2008 16:14 |  #28

Dr. Flynn wrote in post #4778618 (external link)
$800 with a $4000 lens

tee hee

Works for me. Good glass goes well with any body.


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Jan 25, 2008 16:16 |  #29

So when does the consumer count?


jonnythan wrote in post #4780785 (external link)
What am I?

I'd venture to bet that most of the people who complain about noise on this forum are NOT professional photographers.

Meaning that they're consumers. Like me.




  
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Jan 25, 2008 16:21 |  #30

Did anyone else get weird exif data?
from my exif:
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS Kiss X2 <--woah?
Image Date: 2007:12:09 15:28:21
Orientation: Rotate 180
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 85.0mm
CCD Width: 22.30mm
Exposure Time: 0.0013 s (1/800)
Aperture: f/3.2
ISO equiv: 200
White Balance: Auto


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