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Feb 15, 2008 17:39 |  #16

I say you can't go wrong with Elements... esp. if you're just getting into PP with layers, filters, etc., its got plenty to keep you busy for quite awhile... plus, there is an upgrade path to re-coup most of the cost of Elements should you decide to go full-blown CS3.

Elements often gets the short-end of the stick from those who have never used it... I've seen implications (even in photography mags) that Elements can't handle RAW, or can't do layers... which simply isn't true. ((In reality it CAN do RAW using same ACR plugin as CS3, just a few tools disabled... and it CAN do layers quite nicely, just not a full featured set of adjustment layers.))


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Feb 15, 2008 18:35 |  #17

sikeman1 wrote in post #4924705 (external link)
What is the oldest version that would still be worthwhile?

I wouldn't get anything earlier than CS2, as the updates for new cameras that come out are only produced for the current PS version. This may not affect jpeg shooters, but if you ever use RAW (which is far better, if you don't need rapid fire capability and keep filling your buffer) it won't see your files in the RAW converter. You can get around that by converting in DPP and then transferring to PS though.

Frankly though, the later versions are much improved over early versions but cost big bucks, way above your budget. With a limit of $100 your only PS option is Elements.




  
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Feb 15, 2008 19:16 |  #18

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Pleaes don't take this wrong, but it's sort of like asking about the gas mileage for a new Ferrari...if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

People who really "need" the full version of Photoshop know they need it. If you have to ask, save your money and get PS Elements. As already mentioned, it does almost everything 90% of photographers actually need/use in an image editing program.

That said, why not try saving ALL your money and downloading GIMP for free. It may not be as sexy as PS but it seems to do almost everything just about as well.

No disrepect intended, but I don't buy this reasoning. It's common for someone to not be familiar with the capabilities of a particular program if they haven't yet been exposed to it, and it's entirely possible that it may have features that they would use consistently if available.

Plus, as people move forward and improve, it's not uncommon that starting with the better program would actually save them time and money in the long run lest they "go cheap" and find out within a month or two that the program they settled for really doesn't suit all their needs. They may need a little knowledge to help them assess their needs vs options, hence the questions.


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Feb 15, 2008 19:32 |  #19

I don't know anyone who needs all the features in CS3, unless you're a surgeon who dabbles in 3D imaging on your breaks. :)


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Feb 15, 2008 19:46 |  #20

SlowBlink wrote in post #4926381 (external link)
I don't know anyone who needs all the features in CS3, unless you're a surgeon who dabbles in 3D imaging on your breaks. :)

I'm not sure what your point is. What you say is very true of course, CS3 is a VERY comprehensive piece of software, with a huge selection of tools making it capable of many, many different tasks.

However, just because nobody needs ALL the features, it doesn't follow that they don't need SOME of the features and can't get them anywhere else.

I use CS2 and it fulfills all my needs, in conjunction with lightroom. I haven't found any other piece of image editing software that can do everything I want. The fact that it can do more besides is irrelevant.




  
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Feb 15, 2008 19:55 as a reply to  @ photoguy6405's post |  #21

No disrepect intended, but I don't buy this reasoning. It's common for someone to not be familiar with the capabilities of a particular program if they haven't yet been exposed to it, and it's entirely possible that it may have features that they would use consistently if available.

Plus, as people move forward and improve, it's not uncommon that starting with the better program would actually save them time and money in the long run lest they "go cheap" and find out within a month or two that the program they settled for really doesn't suit all their needs. They may need a little knowledge to help them assess their needs vs options, hence the questions.

I agree with you in principle. Learning is usually best accomplished in a controlled environment beginning with the basics. Personally, I would never recommend a newbie drop $700 on Photoshop. Start with Elements or freeware, learn to use it to the max. When you start buming your head into limitations, then upgrade when there is a real need - not just the possibility of usage someday.


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Feb 15, 2008 20:23 |  #22

klynam wrote in post #4926495 (external link)
I agree with you in principle. Learning is usually best accomplished in a controlled environment beginning with the basics. Personally, I would never recommend a newbie drop $700 on Photoshop. Start with Elements or freeware, learn to use it to the max. When you start buming your head into limitations, then upgrade when there is a real need - not just the possibility of usage someday.

You make a good point. I have had things that I've gotten excited about, and a large initial investment would have been a waste since my excitement eventually waned.

On the other hand, I would have saved myself alot of money and frustration had I bought the best lenses at the beginning rather than go through a serious of upgrades that proved more costly in the end. Of course, that is purely hindsight rearing it's ugly head.


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Feb 15, 2008 23:19 |  #23

I think there is an upgrade deal through the end of February... upgrade Elements 3,4,or5 to CS3 for $299... Assuming $100 (street price cheaper) for Elements, that means $399 for CS3!!!

The typical upgrade from elements is $549... + est. $100 for Elements = $649... which happens to be the standard price for CS3.

Either way, too expensive for me... but shows you don't lose ANYTHING by starting with Elements... in fact, it could be cheaper if you wait for deals like that before upgrading (or get Elements for $50 like I did at Costco).


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Feb 15, 2008 23:24 |  #24

I second GIMP. By any chance, are you a student?

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Feb 15, 2008 23:31 |  #25

I'll third GIMP also. I used GIMP for a couple years before moving to CS3. Save your money and go for CS3 or CS4 when you have more money.




  
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Feb 16, 2008 00:30 |  #26

sandpiper wrote in post #4926450 (external link)
I'm not sure what your point is. What you say is very true of course, CS3 is a VERY comprehensive piece of software, with a huge selection of tools making it capable of many, many different tasks.

However, just because nobody needs ALL the features, it doesn't follow that they don't need SOME of the features and can't get them anywhere else.

I use CS2 and it fulfills all my needs, in conjunction with lightroom. I haven't found any other piece of image editing software that can do everything I want. The fact that it can do more besides is irrelevant.

Sorry, next time I make a joke I'll check with you first. Did I say you have to use all the features? Too much coffee? :) See the smiley?

Gimp would probably be the better choice unless it has 16bit or raw issues which I doubt. Haven't used it in years.


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Feb 16, 2008 01:25 |  #27

Wow!!!
You guys are phenominal! Great info. Sorry I haven't responded but I just shot about 1500 pics at a 4th, 5th, 6th grade basketball tourney. Two days to go.
Sounds like for me the best option is to download gimp, see if it will do the job. Start looking for a deal on PSE and then upgrade to cs3 when the time is right.
Photoguy and Klynam, you guys are getting exactly what i'm saying. Thanks to you and everyone else!!!
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Feb 16, 2008 14:17 |  #28

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #4927563 (external link)
I think there is an upgrade deal through the end of February... upgrade Elements 3,4,or5 to CS3 for $299... Assuming $100 (street price cheaper) for Elements, that means $399 for CS3!!!

The typical upgrade from elements is $549... + est. $100 for Elements = $649... which happens to be the standard price for CS3.

Do you have a link for this? I just looked on the Adobe site, and unless they're hiding it, I see only the $549 upgrade option from Elements.


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Feb 16, 2008 14:19 |  #29

Woolburr wrote in post #4924609 (external link)
Elements can do all the basic functions of photo editing...cropping, resizing, curves and levels, correcting white balance issues, hue and saturation adjustments, filters and actions...essentially anything that 95% of photographers need. Photoshop is several level above that....and has a variety of features and automations that allow more complex editing and streamlined workflows. Elements is a whole lot easier on the wallet when you first start out and it still gives you some killer options.

Elements has curves? I have PSE4 and it doesn't. Did they add curves to v5 or v6?


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Feb 16, 2008 14:29 |  #30

photoguy6405 wrote in post #4930254 (external link)
Do you have a link for this? I just looked on the Adobe site, and unless they're hiding it, I see only the $549 upgrade option from Elements.

Here's a quote from another forum... I've seen it on a few now... I can't guarantee is legitimacy since I didn't order and am not in the market for CS3, but appears that you must order by phone from Adobe: [The phone number in the quote is the same as posted at Adobe.com... so it doesn't appear to be a redirection scam, at least.]

Adobe Photoshop CS3 Upgrade From Elements for $299

This software sells retail for around $625 for the full version, depending upon where you buy it (not counting academic versions). Currently $625 at Amazon. The CS3 upgrade version sells for $199, but you can only upgrade from actual Photoshop, not Elements, which is what makes this deal Slick IMHO, IF you want or need CS3.

I upgraded from Elements 4 to CS3 when this promotion ran about six months ago, and I was expecting to receive an "upgrade version". They sent me the full retail version of CS3.

If you have a version of Elements that came bundled free with a scanner or camera, you should qualify for the upgrade if you have the serial number, as that was the case in the past promotion. You'd have to call the Adobe 800 number to confirm, so I would say YMMV until you call and confirm.

From Adobe email:

Turn the perfect shot into the perfect image With Adobe Photoshop Elements software, you've seen how you can bring out the best in your photos. Now, you can get all of the power you ever wanted with new Adobe Photoshop CS3 software for just US$299 ? a savings of more than 50% off the full price at the Adobe Store!

An offer this good doesn't last forever. Move up at the Adobe Store by 2/29/08.

To order by phone, call 1-800-585-0774 and mention offer code 27105. Have your Adobe Photoshop Elements serial code ready for verification. Exclusive offer for Adobe Photoshop Elements owners only

This limited-time offer ends February 29, so buy today! Exclusive offer terms and conditions: The US$299 price offer for Adobe Photoshop CS3 software is available only to licensed users of Photoshop Elements 1.0 - 6 and Adobe Photoshop Elements plus Adobe Premiere Elements bundle who purchase the full version of Photoshop CS3 directly from Adobe. The US$299 promotional price is redeemable only when you call customer service. Offer begins 2/4/08 and ends at 11:59 p.m. PT 2/29/2008. Limit one copy of Adobe Photoshop CS3 per customer. Offer is not valid to owners of Photoshop Album, Photoshop Limited Edition, or PhotoDeluxe. Offer is not valid to education or volume licensing customers as well as resellers. Prices are in U.S. dollars. All prices are available by calling 1-800-585-0774 and are valid in the U.S. and Canada only, excluding Quebec. Applicable local sales taxes may apply and shipping may apply. Allow 2 - 3 weeks for software delivery. Offer subject to change or withdrawal without notice. Void where prohibited.


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