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Feb 25, 2008 06:32 |  #16

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Feb 25, 2008 07:07 |  #17

+1 for the 400 prime. Next on me list:)

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Feb 25, 2008 08:55 |  #18

I have the 400mm F5.6 L Canon lens have been playing with and will votch for it's imaging capabilities...nice lens!
See https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=457986 for my previous listing.




  
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Feb 25, 2008 09:48 as a reply to  @ Denton's post |  #19

Check out the POTN bird forum. The most popular lens in polls there, as well as in an examination of gear lists, is the 100-400L. It provides flexibility, it is lightweight (as these things go), and it is more than sharp enough. Unless you feel you need to go beyond 400mm without TCs, you should at least consider this lens.


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Feb 25, 2008 10:28 |  #20

If I was you, I'd rent the 400 5.6, the 300 4.0, and also rent the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters. Test all the combos out and see which you like the best. After I rented, I liked the 400 5.6 on its own best for IQ, and then the 400 5.6 with the 1.4x as the best combo.


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Feb 25, 2008 12:47 as a reply to  @ santabarbarapix's post |  #21

Are you able to increase the SS enough to compensate for the lack of IS? I really like IS glass.


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Feb 25, 2008 12:53 |  #22

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Are you able to increase the SS enough to compensate for the lack of IS? I really like IS glass.

f/5.6 is fairly slow, so the 400/5.6 will need pretty bright light to handhold.

Canon really, really needs to update the 400/5.6 with IS. It is their only lens over 300mm without IS.

As it is, for me I would probably go 300/4 and TCs just to get the IS, but YMMV. It depends a lot on what you are shooting and how much reach to need.


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Feb 25, 2008 13:03 |  #23

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f/5.6 is fairly slow, so the 400/5.6 will need pretty bright light to handhold.

Canon really, really needs to update the 400/5.6 with IS. It is their only lens over 300mm without IS.

As it is, for me I would probably go 300/4 and TCs just to get the IS, but YMMV. It depends a lot on what you are shooting and how much reach to need.

Yeah it's a pisser eh? I'd buy the 400 5.6 in an INSTANT if they gave it IS, even if the price increased to equal the 100-400. I swing back and forth between these two every 5 minutes it seems.


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Feb 25, 2008 13:10 |  #24

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Yeah it's a pisser eh? I'd buy the 400 5.6 in an INSTANT if they gave it IS, even if the price increased to equal the 100-400. I swing back and forth between these two every 5 minutes it seems.

Just buy the 400/2.8....har har har.

That's why the 400/5.6 needs IS. Lenses like the 300/2.8, 400/2.8 and 500/4 are simply not plausible purchases (due to size, weight and cost) for many hobbiests.

But we all do like IS, and the longer and slower the lens the more we like IS.

Sigh. I just get by with my 70-300 for reach right now, but that means TCs are not really an option and so 300mm is it. I keep thinking about the 300/4 but then I use stuff that long pretty infrequently.


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Feb 25, 2008 13:17 |  #25

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Just buy the 400/2.8....har har har.

That's why the 400/5.6 needs IS. Lenses like the 300/2.8, 400/2.8 and 500/4 are simply not plausible purchases (due to size, weight and cost) for many hobbiests.

But we all do like IS, and the longer and slower the lens the more we like IS.

Sigh. I just get by with my 70-300 for reach right now, but that means TCs are not really an option and so 300mm is it. I keep thinking about the 300/4 but then I use stuff that long pretty infrequently.

I'm not made of money :p.

I really liked the 70-300's IQ, but I used it at 300mm a LOT for birding and airshows and stuff, and I found the AF to be just awful, especially without FTM. When it hunted...well...I came close to smashing it a few times, let's say! And even in MF, the ring is so poor and undamped that it's pretty impractical. But I actually used the Kenko 1.4x on the 70-300 to pretty good effect!

That's why the 400 5.6 is SO appealing; its AF system! I consider the 100-400 primarily because o the IS and because unlike the 400, it will fit in my bag :lol:. I'm never gonna use the damn thing at 100mm anyway. If the 100-400 focused as quickly as the 400, I'd snap it up in an instant, regardless of what people say about 'bad copies' or 'softness'. It's all about usability!


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Feb 25, 2008 14:53 |  #26

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I've got a brand new 5D and I want...
A bird/critter lens that reaches out about 400mm and an IQ that hurts your teeth.

I have a 70-200mmf/4 ISL that could be used with a converter or buy a 300mm f/2.8 ISL with converter that would absolutly positively break the bank or some other combo.

IQ followed very closely with expense are prime (no pun intended) considerations here.

Need some user advice here please.

Get a 450D or 40D. As I understand it, the 5D excels at wide angle shots. Either camera works for normal. For birds...crop cameras own. A different body (assumably your old one) will serve your 70-200 or any longer lens much better.


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Feb 25, 2008 18:11 as a reply to  @ TitusvilleSurfer's post |  #27

I refuse to buy another body for something that maybe/might occupy 5% of my photography experience.
It is much more economically reasonable to stick to ground based things.

Having said that, two hours I got some shots of deer couple hundred yards from my house and my 70-200mm ISL just did not have enough reach.
Yeah, I could crop, but I don't want to lose the pixels. It's an anal retentive thing with me.

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Feb 25, 2008 18:30 |  #28

chauncey wrote in post #4994121 (external link)
I refuse to buy another body for something that maybe/might occupy 5% of my photography experience.
It is much more economically reasonable to stick to ground based things.

Yeah, I could crop, but I don't want to lose the pixels.

A different camera would be economical. Your looking at ~$4000 worth of lenses and teleconverters or ~$1500 worth of lenses and a 2nd crop body (you already own one) which would deliver same or possibly better results. The 5D camera is superior with a 16-35, but its downfall is surely telephoto applications. Just use your Xti for this stuff, it is much better suited.

Economics? You yourself mentioned a 300mm f/2.8 ISL with teleconverters. Why not a 400 f/5.6 or 100-400 with a crop body coming in at a much more reasonable price? A 1.6 crop camera with a 1.4x converter would be better IQ than a comparable full frame with a 2x converter.


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Feb 25, 2008 18:56 as a reply to  @ TitusvilleSurfer's post |  #29

I've had that rationale in the back of my mind, but I wasn't sure about the IQ comparisons that you pointed out. If your correct, the whole question turns into a no brainer. thanks


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Feb 25, 2008 19:24 |  #30

Well, this is a 100% crop from a 20D and 300 f/4 IS 1/400 f/4.5 ISO 100 JPEG Small:

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This is another 100% crop from a 20D JPEG Small except a Canon 1.4x TC on the 300. 1/400, f/7.1 ISO 1600
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I only got the lens in late January; haven't had a chance to PP the RAW yet.

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