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Feb 28, 2008 12:16 |  #46

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Lets keep the hostility off the forum please..


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Feb 28, 2008 17:14 |  #47

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Think there was a 2nd hand one for sale at the Focus show at the NEC on the Camtech stand. Doesn't appear on their web site so I might be wrong (or they might just have it to drum up interest).

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There was. I bought it! Completely mint condition as well. There are probably better lenses at some of the higher F's but hey, F1.0, you have to once in your life surely?




  
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Feb 28, 2008 17:29 |  #48

ThatPhilBrettGuy wrote in post #5015568 (external link)
There was. I bought it! Completely mint condition as well. There are probably better lenses at some of the higher F's but hey, F1.0, you have to once in your life surely?

Ah, at least that takes any temptation away.

Could I be cheeky and ask how much it was? They had nothing priced up in the 2nd hand case.

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Feb 28, 2008 17:35 |  #49

Kickstart wrote in post #5015663 (external link)
Ah, at least that takes any temptation away.

Could I be cheeky and ask how much it was? They had nothing priced up in the 2nd hand case.

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£2K which seems to be just under the going rate at the moment. Box is in great condition too and it even has all the original paperwork in there! I don't believe the lens hood has ever been used.

Rude not to buy it really :)




  
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Feb 28, 2008 18:54 as a reply to  @ ThatPhilBrettGuy's post |  #50

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Not a bad deal then. And not a stunning enough deal for me to be kicking myself ;) .

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Feb 29, 2008 15:14 |  #51

So what's the result on the 100 dollar bill tests? I think the 50 1.0 is probably the sharper ones. the 50 1.2L MTFs are not that great @ 1.2, I could believe it's less than perfect in sharpness vs. 1.0 stopped down to 1.2.

re : the sale of the one for £2k - nice score. LMK if you ever want to sell the box and papers separately. ;-)a

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Feb 29, 2008 15:34 |  #52

Why aren't you comparing examples at the maximum aperture of both lenses? 50 f/1 @ f/1 and 50 f/1.2 @ f/1.2?

Doesn't seem right to me to compare one stopped down and the other wide open... unless I missed the point:/


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Feb 29, 2008 15:36 |  #53

Kevin034 wrote in post #4993997 (external link)
Go for the 85 1.2L if you must look for a fast prime. I had the 50 1.2 L and ... it wasn't that sharp and had some major focusing issues (and slow focus).

I have both the 50 and the 85 and have no problems with eithr of them. The 50mm rocks on a full frame body


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Feb 29, 2008 15:49 |  #54

Kevin034 wrote in post #4993997 (external link)
Go for the 85 1.2L if you must look for a fast prime. I had the 50 1.2 L and ... it wasn't that sharp and had some major focusing issues (and slow focus).

Ummm, the 50/1.2 smokes the 85L and 85LmkII in focus speed and mine is pretty darn sharp wide open, about as sharp as my 35L which is nice and sharp too. The focus issue is anything but major.


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Feb 29, 2008 20:15 |  #55

adamlc wrote in post #5022083 (external link)
Why aren't you comparing examples at the maximum aperture of both lenses? 50 f/1 @ f/1 and 50 f/1.2 @ f/1.2?

Doesn't seem right to me to compare one stopped down and the other wide open... unless I missed the point:/

Comparing the 50 1.0 @ 1.0 to the 50 1.2 at 1.2 is of little utility. 1.0 is not 1.2 and never will be. The purpose of the original comparison was to dispell the "myth" the 50 1.0 is not worth it where other less expensive alternatives are available, i.e the 1.2 and 1.4. Of course to some it may not be worth it. To others it is absolutely worth it, afterall it is f/1.0 The reasons for having the 1.0, and your milage may vary, are as follows:

1. f/1.0 and EOS

2. the 1.2 and 1.4 cannot shoot at f/1.0, ever.

3. the 1.0 performs comparably to the 1.2 and 1.4 stopped down if you know how to take advantage of the 1.0's quirks and want to pay the price to be in the 1.zip club.

4. the Noctilux 50 f/1.0 requires Lecia M7 or M8 and the combo will run you about 10K. I certainly wouldn't mind having this set up, but thats for another day on another forum.

5. the 50 f/.95 is weird and very funky requiring a Canon 7, 7s or similar vintage rangefinder, shoots film, and is very likely not for the timid.

Post #39 of this thread, Post #3 of the $100 bill tests, the first one is the 1.0 @ 1.2 and the second is the 1.2 @ 1.2. Clearly the 1st is sharper than the 2nd which confirms my analysis that the 1.0 can at least perform as well as the 1.2 and equal f/stops. Don't believe me check the exif.

Now lets compare the f/1.0 @ 1.4 to the f/1.4 @ 1.4. A $3,000+ lens to a $300 lens. Do inquiring minds want to know? Let me know and I will put it up. I shot all the tests with all the 50's about 9 months ago so its a piece of cake to do.

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Feb 29, 2008 22:15 |  #56

The point I was making is that most lenses are sharper when they are stopped down, that's it.

You're comparing a wide open f1.2 against a stopped down f1.0, that would tell me without any need to look at example photos that the f1.0 will probably be sharper.... because it's stopped down. Do you get my point?


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Mar 01, 2008 00:18 |  #57

Both your points are understandable,,,,Adam​ic, I was thinking the same as you...well, it's stopped down so it has an advantage...It's like testing the 1.2 vs the 1.4 at 1.4. But dfindr has a point, no matter which way you slice it, none can do 1.0....I love the 1.2's I've used and would be thrilled to use a 1.0.....but, no way would I pay 4-5K for a 50mm. I had a tough enough time coughing up the dough for an 85L:)


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Mar 01, 2008 04:31 |  #58

adamlc wrote in post #5024235 (external link)
The point I was making is that most lenses are sharper when they are stopped down, that's it.

You're comparing a wide open f1.2 against a stopped down f1.0, that would tell me without any need to look at example photos that the f1.0 will probably be sharper.... because it's stopped down. Do you get my point?

Yes sir I do get your point and agree. I personally do not have a 50 f/1.2. Why I don't know, I have practically everything thing else. LOL.

I did rent the 50 f/1.2 when I did comparison tests of all the EF 50s including the 1.0 which I in fact do own along with the other 50's.

The main complaint re the 1.0 is that it was too way expensive for what you get and that at all apertures, with the exception of 1.0 and 1.1, one could nicely duplicate those with the 1.2 (~ $1200) or 1.4 (~$300) at a considerably less price, thus the "why bother with the 1.0 attitude". Of course the bother is because "Its 1.0".

This same attitude/point-of-view has been applied to the comparison of the 1.2 to the 1.4 for the same reason. Why buy a $1200 lens when a $300 lens will get you what you want? Well the answer is simple, 1.4 is not 1.2, just like 1.2 is not 1.0.

I found the 50 1.2 to be an excellent lens. I couldn't duplicate the focus issues many folks complained about. I tried and I tried without success. The 1.2 was excellent in every respect. I also found the 1.4 to be outstanding for its price. However, the 1.0 will substitute for the 1.2 and 1.4 if you are fortunate to have one, and with the added bonus of being able to shoot at 1.0.

Stay tuned for the "goofy" comparison 1.0 vs 1.4 comparison. Anyone want to guess how it will turn out 1.0 @ 1.4 compared to 1.4 @ 1.4 and then 1.0 @ 8.0 compared to the 1.4@ 8.0? Why do we care, well because we can!

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Mar 02, 2008 14:37 |  #59

I for one, would love a 50 f/1.OH ... If I could find one, and liked the focal length enough to spend the money. David's exactly right, shooting at f/1.0 is not f/1.2 or f/1.4. Same reasons you get the 35 f/1.4 over the 35 f/2, and the 85 f/1.2 over the f/1.8.

I'd rather have a 50 Noctilux, because I love the unique, faulted signature of its images, but the M8 isn't full-frame, and I have no desire to shoot 35mm film.




  
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Mar 02, 2008 15:40 |  #60

Its a fun lens. Picked mine up late last year on Ebay for a song. Gotta agree that this obsession with sharpness blinkers many people to the other qualities of lenses, especially in the digital age where minor differences can be 'helped along'. At the end of the day, f1 is f1 if its needed and its a lovely lens to use.


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