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Apr 11, 2008 08:31 |  #1

why do they cost so much????
such as this:
http://www.adorama.com​/HS503CWK.html (external link)

how is it different than a regular DSLR?
I suppose all them crop factor, but what else?
what kind of flexibility does it provide?

I thought all there is to the camera is shutter speed and aperature.


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Apr 11, 2008 08:34 |  #2

jd40 wrote in post #5306558 (external link)
I thought all there is to the camera is shutter speed and aperature.

Sensor size plays a massive part, as the surface area increases so does the cost, drastically. I'm sure someone will chime in with the figures... you'll then have other costs like the much bigger view finder and many use higher grade glass.

Edit: checked the link, thats an SLR, check the price of a medium format digital!




  
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Apr 11, 2008 08:35 |  #3

It’s all in the CCD/CMOS sensor size. Big chips are very expensive to manufacture. The bigger, the more costly.


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Apr 11, 2008 08:37 |  #4

1. Everything is bigger, so it is inherently more costly to produce (like buying meat by the pound)
2. Fewer people buy them, so economies of scale are not present
3. Geometrically increased cost to fabricate huge sensors

Industry has taken a long time to produce 24x36mm sensors by other manufacturers besides Canon. So imagine the complexity when the sensor is almost 40x55mm


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Apr 11, 2008 08:42 |  #5

That was the film version. Here is one of the digital versions of the Hassy:
http://www.adorama.com​/HSH3D392.html (external link)

You are looking at extremely high quality tools. The Hasselblad system gives you interchangeable EVERYTHING such as backs, viewfinders and more, not just interchangeable lenses. In addition - the LARGE sensor. To quote:

"the largest image sensors currently available 48x36 mm - more than 2x the size of even the largest 35mm camera sensors. These sensors hold more & larger pixels, ensuring ultra sharp images without gradation break-ups in even the finest lit surfaces"

These cameras tend to be used by high end studio photographers and others demanding only the best quality images (think fashion photogs..etc.).

I wish I could afford one - I will keep buying those lottery tickets! :D


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Apr 11, 2008 08:42 |  #6

but what is the advantage of having big sensor? Is it less noise?

btw, thnx admin for moving the thread


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Apr 11, 2008 08:45 |  #7

"These sensors hold more & larger pixels, ensuring ultra sharp images without gradation break-ups in even the finest lit surfaces"


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Apr 11, 2008 08:45 |  #8

jd40 wrote in post #5306629 (external link)
but what is the advantage of having big sensor? Is it less noise?

btw, thnx admin for moving the thread

It’s the exact same principals as to what makes a 5D a better camera than a crop or a 40D a better camera than a P/S. More resolution with larger individual sites lead to sharper, more detailed pics.


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Apr 11, 2008 08:46 |  #9

oh ok
In the movie "Cherry Crush" character Jordan Wells uses one of them to take photo of the models

Richard_Miami wrote in post #5306628 (external link)
That was the film version. Here is one of the digital versions of the Hassy:
http://www.adorama.com​/HSH3D392.html (external link)

You are looking at extremely high quality tools. The Hasselblad system gives you interchangeable EVERYTHING such as backs, viewfinders and more, not just interchangeable lenses. In addition - the LARGE sensor. To quote:

"the largest image sensors currently available 48x36 mm - more than 2x the size of even the largest 35mm camera sensors. These sensors hold more & larger pixels, ensuring ultra sharp images without gradation break-ups in even the finest lit surfaces"

These cameras tend to be used by high end studio photographers and others demanding only the best quality images (think fashion photogs..etc.).

I wish I could afford one - I will keep buying those lottery tickets! :D


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Apr 11, 2008 16:47 |  #10

Not all medium format cameras are expensive; what you're looking at here is near the top end of the spectrum. For example, I paid $200 for my Pentax 67. For something with interchangeable backs, you can get a Mamiya RB/RZ for dirt cheap prices these days. They're still very high-quality instruments.


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Apr 11, 2008 17:03 |  #11

jd40 wrote in post #5306629 (external link)
but what is the advantage of having big sensor? Is it less noise?

btw, thnx admin for moving the thread

Not always. The real advantage of a larger sensor is the same as the advantage of a larger piece of film. There is significantly less enlargement needed from captured image to print. This means the fine detail is better retained as it is enlarged less.


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Apr 11, 2008 17:53 |  #12

My Dream" Money is no object system" would be the Leaf AFI +65S back cost about 30K
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Apr 11, 2008 18:00 |  #13

Richard_Miami wrote in post #5306628 (external link)
That was the film version. Here is one of the digital versions of the Hassy:
http://www.adorama.com​/HSH3D392.html (external link)

You are looking at extremely high quality tools. The Hasselblad system gives you interchangeable EVERYTHING such as backs, viewfinders and more, not just interchangeable lenses. In addition - the LARGE sensor. To quote:

"the largest image sensors currently available 48x36 mm - more than 2x the size of even the largest 35mm camera sensors. These sensors hold more & larger pixels, ensuring ultra sharp images without gradation break-ups in even the finest lit surfaces"

These cameras tend to be used by high end studio photographers and others demanding only the best quality images (think fashion photogs..etc.).

And many of the old Hasselblads will take a digital back (the backs, of course, cost from $AUD 15,000 upwards) but it's cheaper then a whole system.

I wish I could afford one - I will keep buying those lottery tickets! :D

Me too! I think the lotteries are rigged!

I had a Hasselblad film version for a while many eyars ago (it was stolen) and the quality is amazingly high. If you g=have the moeny, they are well worth it.

Of course, with digital images that big you need much more computer storage and processing capacity and so it goes on . . . .and on!

I still have a Seagull TLR film camera which I got for just $50 over the net, and the quality of the lens and the results are excellent.


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Apr 11, 2008 19:02 as a reply to  @ Analog6's post |  #14

jd40 wrote in post #5306558 (external link)
why do they cost so much????
such as this:
http://www.adorama.com​/HS503CWK.html (external link)

how is it different than a regular DSLR?
I suppose all them crop factor, but what else?
what kind of flexibility does it provide?

I thought all there is to the camera is shutter speed and aperature.

Hey guys, the camera in the link is a FILM Hasselblad... As was mentioned above, Hassy's are quality tools. They are the Ferrari's of the medium format world. If you're looking for something a little less pricey, then I'd suggest Pentax, Mamiya or Bronica. Again, these are all film cameras.


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Apr 11, 2008 19:56 |  #15

JWright wrote in post #5310416 (external link)
Hey guys, the camera in the link is a FILM Hasselblad... As was mentioned above, Hassy's are quality tools. They are the Ferrari's of the medium format world. If you're looking for something a little less pricey, then I'd suggest Pentax, Mamiya or Bronica. Again, these are all film cameras.

Correctamundo! People really should be asking why the Ferrari of medium format film costs 25% less than a 1Ds body! :mad:
or they should marvel at the cost of a digital Hassy!:cry:


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