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Apr 25, 2008 07:17 |  #1

I am asking this questions as Nikon has more lens for beginners like 18-200 VR, 16-85 VR, etc..

Is Canon targetting only professionals in terms of releasing their lens? Most of inexpensive lens in canon starts from 24-XXX, which are not wide enough for crop camera's.

I know canon has 18-55 and 17-85, which people in this forum says useless lens!!!

This is just my view, people may differ..


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Apr 25, 2008 07:19 |  #2

I'm fairly sure consumer grade Nikon lenses wouldn't compare favourably with the higher end Nikon lenses either though.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:20 |  #3

C'mon man, obviously Canon has a huge stable of lenses geared towards beginners..
Canon Invented the "beginners" DSLR with the Rebel/300D and invented the "crop only" lens with the 18-55mm kit lens.

This is a Canon forum made up mostly of Canon shooting beginners.
How can you postulate to us that Canon is not for beginners?

17-85mm useless?


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Apr 25, 2008 07:22 |  #4

Canon make a 10-22 specifically for their crop cameras. Also there are Sigma and other makes.

Choice of camera brand should be made on a whole variety of criteria. There is a huge range of lenses of all prices for both Canon and Nikon.

What do want to do with your camera? What's your budget? :)


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Apr 25, 2008 07:29 |  #5

Professional and advanced amateur photographers tend to overemphasize the shortcomings of the cheaper lenses. Of course inexpensive lenses like the Canon 18-55 and 17-85 (and Nikon 16-85) have weaknesses, that's part of the compromise in getting a cheap lens.

Many good shots can be taken with cheap lenses from either manufacturer.

The one piece of kit that I do think is hostile to a beginner is the Nikon D40/D40X. This camera cannot AF most Nikkor primes which is crippling for anyone who buys one and gets really interested in photography. If you just want a dSLR for a top level P&S then the D40 is OK but it is not a body to grow with.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:31 |  #6

the kit lens is fine for beginners and you can take some great shots with it. Sure there are better lenses out there but I wouldnt call it garbage. The new version that comes with the XSi is even better and has IS. Not to mention they now have the 55-250 IS lens available giving you comple FL coverage from 18-250. Just noticed your a local... Go to Xgates and play with them and see which works best for you. Both Nikon and Canon have capable entry SLRs.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:31 as a reply to  @ Mike Bell's post |  #7

Both are good for beginners. In fact, just about every brand is. It's only when we start talking about more specialized equipment that Canon and Nikon pretty much separate away from the other brands.

For beginners, I think a Canon 450D and 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS would be very nice. But read very carefully before you buy anything. Ask for user opinions, read reviews. Try them yourself at the store.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:44 |  #8

What does being a beginner have anything to do with it? Buy good eqipment and learn how to shoot, period. Good being any consumer/prosumer level dslr equipment will do, period.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:45 |  #9

Its a flip of the coin as to witch is better.

I am a Canon guy ONLY because my father had a Canon. When I started, I got a body and a lens, then borrowed his long lenses. I do love Canon but I am not a 'brand guy' I would most likley be a Nikon guy if my father had a Nikon. When I transfered over from the AE1 to the EOS line, I only stayed with Canon because of the EOS RT. At the time the pellical mirror was what I really needed. To bad it didnt catch on. It was great that the viewfinder never blacked out when you released the shutter.

Today there is really no bad cameras. Sure there are ones not of professional quality. But for the most part a beginner can pretty much go blindly and pick a camera up and you will end up with a decent camera.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:48 as a reply to  @ Mike Bell's post |  #10

I think Sgogula has a point. My 40D was the first DSLR that I ever bought, and I was very happy with it and the 17-85mm kit lens until I started hanging around this forum. Then all of a sudden I found out from the forum members that it was a "over-priced piece of crap". I baught into that line of thinking and sold it so that I could have "the best lens made for the 1.6x cameras".

Now dont get me wrong the 17-55mm f/2.8 is very nice and since I am gainfully employed I could afford to own it - but the truth is my limited photography experience does not justify the purchase, I got caught up into thinking the average Canon "consumer" lenses are no good. Just earlier some one was telling another member that the 50mm f/1.8 was "crap" now this kind of feed back could easily get some one new to photography thinking that maybe since they cant afford to buy the more expensive "not-so-crappy" Canon lenses that maybe they should consider investing into a different camera system where the begginers equipment is not considered to be crap.


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Apr 25, 2008 07:50 |  #11

I know both Nikon and Canon have Camera's for beginners but my question was who has better lens for beginners Canon or Nikon?


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Apr 25, 2008 07:57 |  #12

sgogula wrote in post #5400926 (external link)
I know both Nikon and Canon have Camera's for beginners but my question was who has better lens for beginners Canon or Nikon?

Truth is both Nikon & Canon have similarly marginal consumer level lenses. The entry level kit lenses on both (and I have worked with each) are plastic & cheap and of equal quality in build and IQ. As you move to the big guns, the price of telephotos & high end zooms are lower with canon than Nikon.

More interestingly however, is that I personally think Nikon has a more robust and durable entry level camera set-up than Canon. The Nikon D40, D60 series are much better built than the Canon Rebel series which feel far more plasticy and lightweight than the Nikon equivalent.

In the end it hard to go wrong with either system....just don't turn into some religious fanatic once you pick a side ;)


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Apr 25, 2008 08:00 |  #13

sgogula wrote in post #5400926 (external link)
I know both Nikon and Canon have Camera's for beginners but my question was who has better lens for beginners Canon or Nikon?

Doesn't matter, really. If you went with Nikon, you could get their 18-200mm VR. Go with Canon, and you have the Sigma 18-200mm OS. I reckon they'd be pretty much on par in terms of performance.

If you seriously wanted just a beginner system (ie. a camera and standard zoom and nothing else) and never wanted to delve any deeper or expand your system, look at Pentax's K10D or K20D. That way, you pretty much get an image stabilized lens at no extra cost.

I cannot tell you which brand has better lenses for a beginner because to my mind, photographic experience doesn't dictate the choice of gear. It's the size of the wallet. And on top of that, you generally get what you pay for. So whether you're a beginner or pro, if pay more, you get more (generally).

So the ultimate question would be 'What's your budget?' Then with that in mind, check out the reviews and do some shopping. People at this forum will also help of course.


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Apr 25, 2008 08:02 |  #14

You buy Canon for the glass and the simplicity. Canon is a very easy camera to use. If you start with a Rebel series, the camera can do most of the work, other than composition. You can take some very good images with a Rebel and kit lens. Look at the kit lens thread. As you progress, the Canon system allows for growth, from the camera doimg nearly everything to completely manual. Read lots of books, take lots of images and study the exif to see the numbers.


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Apr 25, 2008 08:07 as a reply to  @ T.Hogan's post |  #15

Infact I use Canon and I would disagree if someone asked me the same question but I know myself what is the fact!!!

I see most of the replies from Senior Members who must be using 'L' lens and FF camera's but being a beginner, I choose one lens for all..


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