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Apr 30, 2008 16:14 |  #16

No one said they aren't allowed to do anything, they do it all day, every day. No one is trying to stop them. I'm just saying we don't have to give them money for taking their picture.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:16 |  #17

Moppie wrote in post #5435994 (external link)
So Street performers aren't allowed to do a little marketing or diversification?

So long as "No" is an acceptable answer, they're free to ask. However, they are in no way entitled to money from anyone who takes their photos or tapes their performance.

There's a guy who rides around the French Quarter with two large boa constrictors on his bicycle. I asked him if he'd mind if I took his picture. He said he charges people to take his picture. I said "The shot ain't worth a buck" and I walked away. It really wasn't worth a damn to take his picture. He wasn't doing anything but sitting on the seat of his bike with a snake on the handle bars and one on his shoulders. Some of these street "performers" are quite lazy.

If he was something worth photographing, I could still have taken the photo. My reply could be something like "It's nice to ask. Isn't it?"


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Apr 30, 2008 16:21 as a reply to  @ BillsBayou's post |  #18

I guess I look at it differently...they are providing me with entertaining urban shots...what's a buck in the scope of things?

They certainly have the right to ask. And I believe the right to deny the shot (though I suppose in different areas that may not be true). In any case, if it provides a decent photo, I'll pay $1....I've certainly wasted more money on nonsense that doesn't help anyone .


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Apr 30, 2008 16:21 |  #19

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Here in NYC street performers and musicians are viewed as struggling artists. It is good form to give them a dollar or whatever change you have if you are pleased with their performance. After a hard day's work, weary commuters struggling to get home in the subway are awakened and refreshed by these performers, whose repertoire include classical violin, drumming empty cans to a primordial beat, crazy hip-hop/breakdancing routines, and everything in between. To me I view them as reincarnations of Orpheus (external link), as they calm the beasts that reside within each weary NYC commuter.

They are our friends.

I guess it's a cultural thing.

My view is, if you make a spectacle of yourself in public, the public doesn't owe you anything. If you don't make any money at it, you weren't worth it. If you WERE worth it and you're not making any money, you're not entitled to anything. Regardless of your efforts, skill, overhead costs, education, time, and so forth, you're doing something in a public place and everyone has equal opportunity to pass and do as they please within the confines of the law.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:24 as a reply to  @ BillsBayou's post |  #20

Picture or it hasn't happened!

Haha, no really, can we see the pic please?




  
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Apr 30, 2008 16:25 |  #21

BottomBracket wrote in post #5436083 (external link)
Here in NYC street performers and musicians are viewed as struggling artists. It is good form to give them a dollar or whatever change you have if you are pleased with their performance. After a hard day's work, weary commuters struggling to get home in the subway are awakened and refreshed by these performers, whose repertoire include classical violin, drumming empty cans to a primordial beat, crazy hip-hop/breakdancing routines, and everything in between. To me I view them as reincarnations of Orpheus (external link), as they calm the beasts that reside within each weary NYC commuter.

They are our friends.

Maybe in NYC, but here in NOLA they just wanna know "Where ya got your shoes?" (this is a joke)

And yes there is a HUGE difference between the kind of street performers Bill is referring to and the musicians and artists that we all respect in any major city that work on the street. Bill is referring to the "Peacock" lady that is walking down Bourbon street who has no noticable talents except the fact that she woke up this morning without OD'ing last night and wants a dollar for us to take her picture.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:31 |  #22
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oh yeah, that's happend to me. I went to take a shot of one guy playing a guitar and he quickly stopped when he saw me go to shoot. But then again, before I even went to shoot another couple of guys, I had put a tip in for the opportunity and they were very happy to oblige.




  
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Apr 30, 2008 16:32 |  #23

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Bill is referring to the "Peacock" lady that is walking down Bourbon street who has no noticable talents except the fact that she woke up this morning without OD'ing last night and wants a dollar for us to take her picture.


If that is the case, then she is not a legtimate street performer, but still has the right to ask.

And no point is anyone required to give them a dollar, but there is a moral requirement to respect their privacy.
If their privacy happens to only cost a dollar, and there is a good photo in it, then it is a very cheap photo.
If you can't see a dollars worth of photo in them, then why waist your time pointing the camera at them to start with.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:36 |  #24

So you take their picture, put it on your website and then someone rips it off and uses it elsware, you feel pissed off?

Live with it is the repose of the street artist you took the picture of


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Apr 30, 2008 16:36 |  #25

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Picture or it hasn't happened!

Haha, no really, can we see the pic please?

I owe you a picture. :)


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Apr 30, 2008 16:39 |  #26

Moppie wrote in post #5436188 (external link)
If that is the case, then she is not a legtimate street performer, but still has the right to ask.

And no point is anyone required to give them a dollar, but there is a moral requirement to respect their privacy.
If their privacy happens to only cost a dollar, and there is a good photo in it, then it is a very cheap photo.
If you can't see a dollars worth of photo in them, then why waist your time pointing the camera at them to start with.

If they make themselves up to be stared at, then there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. If they're just a guy on a bike with two snakes, I asked. He said he wanted a dollar for it, I made a counter offer and walked away.

Some shots are worth shooting without being a waste of time and without wanting to waste money in the effort.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:43 |  #27

Moppie wrote in post #5436188 (external link)
If that is the case, then she is not a legtimate street performer, but still has the right to ask.

And no point is anyone required to give them a dollar, but there is a moral requirement to respect their privacy.
If their privacy happens to only cost a dollar, and there is a good photo in it, then it is a very cheap photo.
If you can't see a dollars worth of photo in them, then why waist your time pointing the camera at them to start with.

If she is making a PUBLIC display of herself in the middle of Bourbon street than she is giving up privacy therefore I no longer have a moral obligation of respecting her privacy. SHE is making her "privacy" public and I don't need to pay her for it so she can buy another crack rock.

But again if she were a legitimate street performing artist.....that is another story:)


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Apr 30, 2008 16:44 |  #28

BillsBayou wrote in post #5436129 (external link)
I guess it's a cultural thing.

My view is, if you make a spectacle of yourself in public, the public doesn't owe you anything. If you don't make any money at it, you weren't worth it. If you WERE worth it and you're not making any money, you're not entitled to anything. Regardless of your efforts, skill, overhead costs, education, time, and so forth, you're doing something in a public place and everyone has equal opportunity to pass and do as they please within the confines of the law.

But aren't those street performers part of your culture? Do they not have a hand in making New Orleans more colorful? In your first post you declare this: "I'm local, go hustle the tourists," and walked on. I find this attitude kinda heartless, especially since you deemed that the scene was worthy of taking a photo.


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Apr 30, 2008 16:45 as a reply to  @ BillsBayou's post |  #29

If I am reasonably entertained, I wouldn't mind giving the "performer" some change or a dollar. However, I have a problem when they become pushy with the donations. They are in a public place "performing". It would be different if they were in some venue, having to pay to "perform" at that venue. But then, you would pay before entering also so...

I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't pressure you for the donation.

The thing about NYC is, yes there are tons of "struggling musicians" out there. In fact, there are no less than 3 where I get on the subway to go home. Really annoying too. Playing the same crap every friggin day burning my ears. same tune. Same pet phrases/licks. Zzzzzzz....I usually put on my iPod and call it a commute. Street performer or not, you've got to earn it. If you suck, then you ain't getting jack from me. And a lot of the performers in NYC perform on the street for a reason...b/c they suck. Sorry...that's the truth!:cool:




  
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Apr 30, 2008 16:51 |  #30

BottomBracket wrote in post #5436265 (external link)
But aren't those street performers part of your culture? Do they not have a hand in making New Orleans more colorful? In your first post you declare this: "I'm local, go hustle the tourists," and walked on. I find this attitude kinda heartless, especially since you deemed that the scene was worthy of taking a photo.

A turd on the floor could be worthy of taking a picture but it doesn't mean I should have to pay a dollar to take the picture.

At what point does "gimme a dollar for nothing" have a limit?

By the way and AGAIN I don't think Bill is referring to New Orleans popular jazz musicians and tap dancers on the streets which is what makes our city colorful. He is referring to people who have NO talent and are doing nothing but dressing unusual to get money from tourist who don't know any better. They are using the tourist and therefore adding to the dirt in the city which is NOT part of our culture or colorful city:)


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