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Bounce Flash vs. Frontal Flash

 
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May 09, 2008 15:28 |  #1

Hi all. I threw together this comparison image for my cousin (using his beautiful baby) showing how frontal flash compares with bounce flash.

Thought I'd toss it up here as well, before it heads for the recycle bin (which would be the depths of my photography folders, from which things never return).

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- I await the day when every point-and-shoot has an auto wall-detect feature that forces the flash to point at nearby bounce surfaces (instead of right in everyone's face), so that photography noobs might actually get nice pictures more often. :( It's not too far off, but still... not there yet.

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May 09, 2008 16:31 |  #2

Great example of how bounced flash can work wonders

Correct me if I am wrong but it is a great example of the limitations of bounce flash as well - in this case shadowed eyes - the 1st pic has beautiful vivid blue eyes whereas in the 2nd pic the eyes are in shadow and give a feeling of "sleep" / dark rings around the eyes. To me in the 1st pic the baby looks fresh, alert and excited whereas the 2nd pic, he looks tired - mainly due to the eyes

Please correct me if I am wrong :)


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May 09, 2008 17:24 |  #3

No, you're absolutely right, but it also has a lot to do with WHERE you are bouncing the light. Example: If you bounce to your sides, or behind you, it will come out entirely different.

What I would do, however, is just lighten the eyes in Photoshop (a 3 click operation - just grab a brush with Linear Dodge, make sure you select the color that you want to lighten with, then paint over the eyes to reverse the shadows). It's essentially the same as spending half an hour walking in circles with your camera, trying to figure out how to get the eyes to come out naturally (which the baby won't last through), simplified into a several-second operation.

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It's actually a more accurate representation of what the baby really looks like (also how she looks with lighting coming from the front (umbrellas)):

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May 09, 2008 17:30 |  #4

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May 09, 2008 19:01 |  #5

Hmm, EXIF data shows a Nikon D80 taking them there pics, say it aint so...


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May 09, 2008 20:25 |  #6

flyingwolf wrote in post #5494084 (external link)
Hmm, EXIF data shows a Nikon D80 taking them there pics, say it aint so...

Oh noes! We hai's a D80 here:D


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May 10, 2008 03:29 |  #7

lol... indeed I do. Canon's EOS flash system (using speedlites) is very similar to Nikon's CLS (Creative Lighting System). But we don't have a giant, populated, sprawling Nikon Digital Photography Forums, that I know of. :( I'm brand-blind when I'm here.


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May 10, 2008 03:35 |  #8

Dario D. wrote in post #5496043 (external link)
we don't have a giant, populated, sprawling Nikon Digital Photography Forums

Nikonians.org. You'll need to invest in a 2nd set of eyes though. It breaks pretty much every rule of web design.


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May 10, 2008 03:44 |  #9

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Nikonians.org. You'll need to invest in a 2nd set of eyes though. It breaks pretty much every rule of web design.

OMFG lol...:D


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May 10, 2008 07:45 as a reply to  @ Mick_I's post |  #10

Besides bouncing up, use something to throw some light forward in the bounce and there you have the eye coverage, no need for photoshop.




  
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May 12, 2008 07:13 |  #11

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Besides bouncing up, use something to throw some light forward in the bounce and there you have the eye coverage

Indeed, I could try a rear bounce (something like a 4 or 5 o'clock bounce against whatever's behind me and just to the side).

Umbrellas (and windows) work wonders too, but you don't exactly want to haul brollies everywhere people happen to be... and hauling windows didn't work, last time I tried. :(


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May 12, 2008 09:07 |  #12

cdifoto wrote in post #5496055 (external link)
Nikonians.org. You'll need to invest in a 2nd set of eyes though. It breaks pretty much every rule of web design.

I'll second that notion! It's a hideous site that makes you wonder about the creative tastes of those behind it. It looks very much patched together. It's like a badguy's vehicle from a Mad Max movie --- leftover pieces of whatever was available, tacked on by various people.


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