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Apr 18, 2008 12:35 |  #1

I use a canon 20d and have recently switched the camera color setting from sRGB to Adobe RGB. My photoshop color settings are set for adobe RGB. Unfortunately, photos taken in Adobe RGB space bring up a missing profile message, reporting "no embedded profile", in photoshop. I have both photoshop elements 4.0 and PS7. When I review open a photo and review its file information in these programs, both show the color space as blank - no profile is listed. If I switch the camera back to sRGB, then sRGB shows in the file information, and my old photos all show sRGB as this is how they were taken. I guess I am trying to figure out why my Adobe RGB does not seem to embed from my canon 20D. Any ideas?




  
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Apr 18, 2008 15:29 |  #2

Answer is down this page (external link).

Just assign (yes, assign) the AdobeRGB profile.

I've had the same with PS6.


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Apr 18, 2008 16:21 |  #3

But, with the camera being set to Adobe RGB and PS7 being set to Adobe RGB - shouldn't they "match", and no warnings should appear? If this is correct, then why am I getting the missing profile/no embedded profile message? I understand the assign and convert area, but who wants to deal with the message thousands of times - very frustrating and time consuming!!!




  
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Apr 18, 2008 16:35 |  #4

amyb7 wrote in post #5357432 (external link)
But, with the camera being set to Adobe RGB and PS7 being set to Adobe RGB - shouldn't they "match", and no warnings should appear?

You would think so, but no.

When you set your camera to "Adobe RGB" it tags the files not as "Adobe RGB" but rather as "Uncalibrated". This is as required by the EXIF and DCF specifications.

(The "why" of that isn't stated, but it seems to be political and economic, revolving around avoiding the use of the Adobe name and the Adobe RGB moniker.)

Observe the note at the bottom of page 56 of the 20D manual: "The ICC profile is not appended."

who wants to deal with the message thousands of times - very frustrating and time consuming!!!

I don't know about PS7, but recent Adobe software has an option where you can have the program automatically assume a particular profile (such as Adobe RGB) for files that don't have a recognized profile tag.




  
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Apr 18, 2008 20:43 |  #5

So are you telling me that each time I open a photo, one who's canon color space is Adobe RGB, I am going to get the message saying I have no embedded profile and asking if I want to assign or convert? Then I have to go through the process for each photo. What a crock!

PS7 does have a place in its color settings where I changed "preserve embedded profiles" to "convert to working RGB"; but nothing changed, and I am still getting the missing profile message.




  
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Apr 19, 2008 07:17 |  #6

There's also a checkbox "Ask when opening"...
Also, you should not convert to working RGB. You should assign AdobeRGB.

You need the missing profile dialog for that

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


or you need to manually assign AdobeRGB:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


Turning this into an action and assigning a shortcut to that action might be the easiest way. Since you are shooting jpg, you might also want to include the capture sharpening into that action.

You might want to shoot Raw as another option ;)

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I don't know about PS7, but recent Adobe software has an option where you can have the program automatically assume a particular profile (such as Adobe RGB) for files that don't have a recognized profile tag.

Ehm, no.
You can have PS (CS2 here) convert to working RGB, Preserve embedded, or set color management "Off" altogether. It will not assign a profile by itself. (Last two options will open the file as "untagged", which will display the same as the default working space in PS, but you'd still have to assign a profile to have one attached when saving.


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Apr 19, 2008 17:20 |  #7

Thanks for all your help. I have done everything I can think of, and I guess the easiest for me is to make an action. Oh, well.




  
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Jul 27, 2008 22:34 |  #8

René Damkot wrote in post #5360615 (external link)
There's also a checkbox "Ask when opening"...
Also, you should not convert to working RGB. You should assign AdobeRGB.

You need the missing profile dialog for that

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


or you need to manually assign AdobeRGB:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


Turning this into an action and assigning a shortcut to that action might be the easiest way. Since you are shooting jpg, you might also want to include the capture sharpening into that action.

You might want to shoot Raw as another option ;)


Ehm, no.
You can have PS (CS2 here) convert to working RGB, Preserve embedded, or set color management "Off" altogether. It will not assign a profile by itself. (Last two options will open the file as "untagged", which will display the same as the default working space in PS, but you'd still have to assign a profile to have one attached when saving.

Rene,

I use PS 6, shoot Raw and also have the same problem with the missing profiles as described above. How would shooting Raw (from above) help out?


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Jul 28, 2008 05:07 |  #9

Since you open the Raw with dpp or another raw converter, and set a profile there. Then the proper ICC profile will be attached (tick the proper tickbox), and should be read by PS.
Are you saying this isn't working?

(Don't have PS6 installed anymore, so can't test this, but IIRC it worked for me.)


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Jul 28, 2008 09:22 |  #10

I just made the switch from sRGB to RGB and had been shooting jpeg. I shot 2 images in Adobe RGB in RAW this morning, used DPP to convert them and didn't get that annoying "Missing Profile" message in PS. Just another reason to shoot RAW. Thanks!

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Jul 28, 2008 09:34 |  #11

amyb7 wrote in post #5363155 (external link)
Thanks for all your help. I have done everything I can think of, and I guess the easiest for me is to make an action. Oh, well.

In Camera Raw, click the blue link below the image window:

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/png'



In the dialog box that opens, choose aRGB as the color space. You'll only have to do this once. After that, all your images will open in Photoshop with aRGB profile embedded.

IMG NOTICE: [NOT AN IMAGE URL, NOT RENDERED INLINE]
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IMAGE: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6751/raw2ks7.jpg

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Jul 28, 2008 10:06 |  #12

Midlife Crisis wrote in post #5999290 (external link)
Where do we send money to you mods for making our life less stressful?

Here: Click;)

Peano wrote in post #5999342 (external link)
In Camera Raw, click the blue link below the image window

Works for Raw images, however, the OP was having issues opening jpg files in PS7. Which doesn't have ACR4 :p.


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Jul 28, 2008 10:38 |  #13

René Damkot wrote in post #5999514 (external link)
Works for Raw images, however, the OP was having issues opening jpg files in PS7. Which doesn't have ACR4 :p.

Thanks. My mistake.


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