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Aug 11, 2008 14:14 |  #1

This may have been covered before and, if so, my apologies.

I don't even like the word "dibs." Sounds puny and weak. But - to the point: When I sell an item or items, I don't believe in allowing prospective buyers to place "dibs" or a hold on anything. To my way of thinking, something is yours when you pay for it - period. There's just about nothing more aggravating than having someone do this and then delay payment for a day or more. Or, even better, I have had people e-mail me after placing a "dibs" on something and say - "I want it and I'll pay for it just as soon as I refill my Pay Pal account from a few things I am selling."

Uh, no - I don't think so.

Any thoughts on this? Am I being unreasonable?

Thanks in advance for your time and brain power,

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Aug 11, 2008 14:19 |  #2

you are not being unreasonable. it is your item and you can choose who you will sell to and why. i for one only allow dibs to people that i know. other than that, the first person that says "i will take it" and pay for the item gets the goods. i have had way to many times where people say "dibs" and then disappear.




  
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Aug 11, 2008 14:21 |  #3

It disappeared for me the day I left school. I have never heard of this in a business context.


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Aug 11, 2008 14:47 |  #4

At another forum I frequent (With the BEST classifieds section on the internet, bar none), there are very strict rules (ISP e-mail address, 100 useful post count (no spam) minimum, etc) and there is also a dibs policy. The seller cannot choose to neglect certain buyers, he has to sell to the first person with the money willing to pay.

Should someone call "dibs" on an item, they MUST agree to all of the terms in the post (more that they cannot negotiate anything, all of the terms have to be worked out before the dibs). There is no "dibs if...", it's either dibs or nothing. Of course, you don't need to dib an item, but if you see someone selling the equivalent of a 70-200 2.8L IS for $1200 you sure are going to want it and hope you can get it before anyone else, and dibs is the surefire and fastest way to get said item.

Either way, dibs is definitely fair.

blonde: Selling to the first person to say "i will take it" is, pretty much, exactly the same as selling to the first person who says "dibs" ;)


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Aug 11, 2008 15:03 |  #5

SolidxSnake wrote in post #6087657 (external link)
At another forum I frequent (With the BEST classifieds section on the internet, bar none), there are very strict rules (ISP e-mail address, 100 useful post count (no spam) minimum, etc) and there is also a dibs policy. The seller cannot choose to neglect certain buyers, he has to sell to the first person with the money willing to pay.

Should someone call "dibs" on an item, they MUST agree to all of the terms in the post (more that they cannot negotiate anything, all of the terms have to be worked out before the dibs). There is no "dibs if...", it's either dibs or nothing. Of course, you don't need to dib an item, but if you see someone selling the equivalent of a 70-200 2.8L IS for $1200 you sure are going to want it and hope you can get it before anyone else, and dibs is the surefire and fastest way to get said item.

Either way, dibs is definitely fair.

blonde: Selling to the first person to say "i will take it" is, pretty much, exactly the same as selling to the first person who says "dibs" ;)

reread my post and you will see what i actually said.




  
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Aug 11, 2008 15:04 |  #6

blonde wrote in post #6087477 (external link)
you are not being unreasonable. it is your item and you can choose who you will sell to and why. i for one only allow dibs to people that i know. other than that, the first person that says "i will take it" and pay for the item gets the goods. i have had way to many times where people say "dibs" and then disappear.

bolded for SolidXSnake...




  
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Aug 11, 2008 15:09 |  #7

SolidxSnake wrote in post #6087657 (external link)
Either way, dibs is definitely fair.

Well I reserve the right to choose who I will sell to. I might choose another person than the first wanting it.


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Aug 11, 2008 15:17 |  #8

tommykjensen wrote in post #6087822 (external link)
Well I reserve the right to choose who I will sell to. I might choose another person than the first wanting it.

Heck of a concept...I am going with that.


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Aug 11, 2008 15:21 |  #9

tommykjensen wrote in post #6087822 (external link)
Well I reserve the right to choose who I will sell to. I might choose another person than the first wanting it.

me too. I check feedback (both here and other places) before I'll ever agree to sell to someone. If someone has negative (or no) feedback, I won't sell to them. I figure it's my way of doing the best I can to avoid a bad deal. Just like as a buyer, I reserve the right to choose who I buy from.


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Aug 11, 2008 15:46 |  #10

Then how would you start buying/selling if you're new? Haven't had an issue, I bought from people here and I'd consider myself new, good thing not everyone feels that way.

I think the dibs work well, and the first person who posts in the thread and call 'dibs' is the first one who perhaps saw the item and is interested. I think that person is first in line, and negotiations about payment method etc. should be done with such person first. If that falls through, then go on to the next.

If however the argument is to hold the item til next two days or whatever, I say move on there and then.


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Aug 11, 2008 15:51 |  #11

choomps wrote in post #6088090 (external link)
Then how would you start buying/selling if you're new? Haven't had an issue, I bought from people here and I'd consider myself new, good thing not everyone feels that way.

I think the dibs work well, and the first person who posts in the thread and call 'dibs' is the first one who perhaps saw the item and is interested. I think that person is first in line, and negotiations about payment method etc. should be done with such person first. If that falls through, then go on to the next.

If however the argument is to hold the item til next two days or whatever, I say move on there and then.

People calling "dibs" can quite easily stall a sale, or just dither until they decide not to go through with the transaction, or even worse, stall until they get around to selling whatever they're selling so they can afford what they've dibbed.

Sellers here are perfectly welcome to judge the worthiness of potential buyers. Often, they want to sell their items as soon as possible (not when it's most convenient for the first dibber). That being said, it's reasonable for them to chose the buyer who's closest (who might want to exchange cash for goods personally), or who has funds ready for immediate transfer.


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Aug 11, 2008 16:07 |  #12

Pete wrote in post #6088132 (external link)
People calling "dibs" can quite easily stall a sale, or just dither until they decide not to go through with the transaction, or even worse, stall until they get around to selling whatever they're selling so they can afford what they've dibbed.

Sellers here are perfectly welcome to judge the worthiness of potential buyers. Often, they want to sell their items as soon as possible (not when it's most convenient for the first dibber). That being said, it's reasonable for them to chose the buyer who's closest (who might want to exchange cash for goods personally), or who has funds ready for immediate transfer.

Well said and will consider this position the one to take.

Thank you, Pete.

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Aug 11, 2008 16:16 |  #13

choomps wrote in post #6088090 (external link)
Then how would you start buying/selling if you're new? Haven't had an issue, I bought from people here and I'd consider myself new, good thing not everyone feels that way.

I think the dibs work well, and the first person who posts in the thread and call 'dibs' is the first one who perhaps saw the item and is interested. I think that person is first in line, and negotiations about payment method etc. should be done with such person first. If that falls through, then go on to the next.

If however the argument is to hold the item til next two days or whatever, I say move on there and then.

When I was new here, I posted my ebay feedback as a reference. On ebay, it's pretty easy to build up a good feedback profile (as long as you pay for your goods). Sometimes people who are new here have a ton of references on FM or another forum. Sometimes new people give other references (maybe other members they've purchased from or people they know from the forum IRL who can vouch for them). There are ways to complete a sale, if one is new. However, if someone is new and doesn't have references and someone I know or recognize their username and can check their feedback is also interested in making the purchase, I would sell to the established member. It's just a safety in transactions.

What I appreciate about this forum's market place....each seller is allowed to choose how they want to do business (as long as it doesn't violate the basic rules of the marketplace).


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Aug 11, 2008 16:42 |  #14

IMO, think 'dibs' is a way for potential buyers to say, 'if your current deal does not proceed, please consider selling to me".

is there a better method? probably. but i'm to lazy to look into one.




  
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Aug 11, 2008 16:54 |  #15

blonde wrote in post #6087786 (external link)
bolded for SolidXSnake...

My bad. So if two people say "I'll take it", you sell to the first one, correct? Or do you choose which to sell to based on other reasons.

Selling at OCF (other forums I frequent), I've come to see dibs as instant buy, there is no backing out (you loose classifieds privilege).

When I say "dibs," I don't mean, "hold the item for me until I have funds"... it's "give me your paypal/street address so I can send you payment right now." There is no negotiation, if I agree with everything the seller posts in the original post (item, price, shipping methods), then all I need is where to send payment and to send the seller my street address.

Again, this is at OCF, not POTN. The classifieds here are MUCH more lax and thus it's up to us to be more careful with who we deal with. I trust OCF 100%, I've been buying/selling there for nearly 4 years and have not once ever seen a scammer (a few of the moderators are police as well collaborators with TrollHunters (external link)).

When I first joined POTN, I remember asking a mod about paypal fees (it's against PayPal terms of service to charge the buyer the fee to receive non-CC/CC payment) and one responded saying that all deals were 100% private. I felt this weird seeing how OCF did not allow PP fees to be charged (in order to keep users from causing the forum trouble with paypal). Also, I tried to spread HeatWare (see my signature). It is a universal method of feedback. It is much easier to search a trader on heatware (easy as putting a link in a sig) than it is to search a feedback thread such as POTN classies :)

Just a few suggestions.


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