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Aug 20, 2008 11:05 |  #121

divinemethod wrote in post #6141781 (external link)
I have a question for the OP... I Still dont understand how the photog in question was a lowball?


Maybe lowball is not the correct word in this case. They guy offered CD's of photos, hundreds of prints, 6 hours of shooting with 2 photogs (him and his wife) and books for the B&G and the parents.

All of this for 1800 dollars, the number of prints he offered would be nearly 1600 at wal-mart prices alone.

I think maybe this better comes down to the local guy who is undercutting everyone else in the area.

Perhaps you have a word that would work better in this situation.


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Aug 20, 2008 21:11 |  #122

neilwood32 wrote in post #6142811 (external link)
You seem to be agruing for no apparent reason. The clients agree to the photographer having a meal , the photographer eats the meal = no problem!:p

So long as it is clearly laid down what each party wants/expects, theres no issue.

If i was in the situation of paying thousands of £ or $ for a photographer, I would certainly prefer for them to be well fed, satisfied and comfortable for all the cost of providing a meal for them! Also consider how draining it is shooting for 8hrs solid, wouldnt you want a break?

You seem not to have read all the posts. As I said earlier, I have no problem with breaks. It's when the photographer insists or expect to be fed without the client and photog agreeing to this in the contract at the beginning is where my problem lies. If they agree in advance, fine. But what if the contract makes no mention of food. What then? Seems to me that the photog cannot seriously expect to be fed. Now, that said, it would be the right thing to do for the B&G to feed the guy. But they should not be obligated to do so.


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Aug 20, 2008 21:13 |  #123

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You seem not to have read all the posts. As I said earlier, I have no problem with breaks. It's when the photographer insists or expect to be fed without the client and photog agreeing to this in the contract at the beginning is where my problem lies. If they agree in advance, fine. But what if the contract makes no mention of food. What then? Seems to me that the photog cannot seriously expect to be fed. Now, that said, it would be the right thing to do for the B&G to feed the guy. But they should not be obligated to do so.

Maybe I missed it. When did anyone mention the scenario of waiting until the day of to suddenly spring a food requirement on the B&G? If I recall correctly, your first post said eating is unprofessional and should only be done in the bathroom. You also said requiring is absolutely ludicrous.

On second thought, no recalling necessary. Here are your own words:

tgara wrote in post #6071635 (external link)
I have a different view. I don't think its very professional for a pro photographer to eat at the wedding, period. And making it a contractual item is beyond the pale. What does it say? "Client shall provide food to photographer...." You gotta be kidding me! You're there to do a job, so do it and quit griping about food. If you're hungry, eat a power bar in the bathroom or something. I don't want the hired help to be seen eating anywhere near the wedding party.


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Aug 21, 2008 06:36 |  #124

Thanks Cdifoto for answering on my behalf.

TGARA - I have actually read all the posts and it seems like your question keeps shifting when you realise that it is unreasonable!

You start by saying that the photog should not eat at the wedding, then say its to be done in hiding, then a few pages later you seem to adopt the "well its ok if they agree" attitude.

And no-one has said that the B&G are obligated to feed the photog if it isnt written in to the contract!

Are you just trying to stir up trouble or do you like arguing? The least you could do is stick by your original assertion if you do.


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Aug 21, 2008 13:31 |  #125

Can you say, backpedal?:lol:


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Aug 21, 2008 13:35 |  #126

Just an update. I did an engagement shoot yesterday....and guess what.....I was fed. I am doing an event this evening with a fashion show....and was offered a meal by the person in charge............... yummyville!


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Aug 21, 2008 13:37 |  #127

What's your secret?


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Aug 21, 2008 13:39 |  #128

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What's your secret?

Sweat a lot and be likable.


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Aug 21, 2008 13:40 |  #129

mattograph wrote in post #6152471 (external link)
What's your secret?

Photography is 20% skill the rest is about personality and ability to run a business. In all honesty my photography is good but there is way better out there than me. But I can run a business and know to focus on the client....not me. Get them to talk about themselves and they will love you......just show genuine interest.


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Aug 21, 2008 13:42 |  #130

stathunter wrote in post #6152491 (external link)
Photography is 20% skill the rest is about personality and ability to run a business. In all honesty my photography is good but there is way better out there than me. But I can run a business and know to focus on the client....not me. Get them to talk about themselves and they will love you......just show genuine interest.

I am doomed.:(


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Aug 21, 2008 13:45 |  #131

mattograph wrote in post #6152501 (external link)
I am doomed.:(

You guys in Louisville know how to smooze........with your southern charm and all. :)


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Aug 21, 2008 13:54 |  #132

neilwood32 wrote in post #6150317 (external link)
Thanks Cdifoto for answering on my behalf.

TGARA - I have actually read all the posts and it seems like your question keeps shifting when you realise that it is unreasonable!

You start by saying that the photog should not eat at the wedding, then say its to be done in hiding, then a few pages later you seem to adopt the "well its ok if they agree" attitude.

And no-one has said that the B&G are obligated to feed the photog if it isnt written in to the contract!

Are you just trying to stir up trouble or do you like arguing? The least you could do is stick by your original assertion if you do.

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Can you say, backpedal?:lol:

HEY! I've got it! Tgara should run for office! Any public office will do, the higher up the ladder the better. GO For it Tgara, run for president... Just remember us POTNers when you get to the big house!


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Aug 21, 2008 16:56 as a reply to  @ SoccerRef's post |  #133

Thought it was only me that noted the sliding viewpoint!:D

Better watch what you say soccerref - only problem with political jokes is they sometimes get elected (thinking about George "Dubyah" here).

Stathunter -are you sure you didnt force them to feed you? We wouldnt want that;)


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Aug 21, 2008 18:12 |  #134

SoccerRef wrote in post #6152559 (external link)
HEY! I've got it! Tgara should run for office! Any public office will do, the higher up the ladder the better. GO For it Tgara, run for president... Just remember us POTNers when you get to the big house!

Yes, he voted for the eating at the wedding before he voted against it!!!;)


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Aug 21, 2008 18:21 |  #135

cdifoto wrote in post #6152485 (external link)
Sweat a lot and be likable.

cdifoto always manages to make me laugh.

I've got the likable part down, now I've just got to throw out all my deodorant. I knew this forum was fill of good tips!!!




  
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