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Aug 22, 2008 09:21 |  #46

jdizzle wrote in post #6155373 (external link)
The waterfall shot is a perfect example of the 24 L. If you guys could open your eyes for a moment and look closely, the 5D as you all know is great with primes and I can attest to that!:)

The water fall shot has halos around the top of the cliff, and is overexposed and oversaturated in places.

So I don't think it's fair to judge the lens based on this shot.


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Aug 22, 2008 09:22 |  #47

airfrogusmc wrote in post #6155560 (external link)
JD just point of reference it was a 35L on that particular shot you are referring to. ;)

As far as the composition I think Kenny makes a very valid point. And you do see it allot here and centered heads in the people section. Sometimes a center image is the answer but most of the time its not. And I do think there is a little over saturation in a couple of these but I still like the effect but the color and contrast from both the 24L and the 35L are exceptional anyway the ones I have are.

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Yeah, it's been a while ago.... Allen are you agreeing that the lens itself (e.g the 24 or 35 prime vs 16-35 zoom) makes a difference in base saturation? If so do you know why?


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Aug 22, 2008 09:23 |  #48

I'm not sure I believe a lens can change the saturation, how would that work?

I don't know if that's the proper explanation, but with my UWA, shoot the sky, and the blues around the edges are much more saturated than the blues towards the center. Like in this example (external link).

So what is the explanation?


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Aug 22, 2008 09:23 |  #49

Well I can hardly wait to see the OPs reaction to what this thread has turned into.:lol:


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Aug 22, 2008 09:25 |  #50

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I don't know if that's the proper explanation, but with my UWA, shoot the sky, and the blues around the edges are much more saturated than the blues towards the center. Like in this example (external link).

So what is the explanation?


Well there is a gradient generally across the sky depending on the sun angle, this is exactly the thing a polarizer will bring out, maybe that is what you are seeing in the above image? Were you using a polarizer on that one?


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Aug 22, 2008 09:28 |  #51

No, no filter at all. It almost has to be some artifact of the curve in the lens though, more photons hitting a small area at the outside edge of the frame, due to the curve of the glass. Also, they would seem to be coming at the sensor pixels at a different angle than say a telephoto. And I could have a totally wrong mental image of what's happening in there too. :lol:


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Aug 22, 2008 09:29 as a reply to  @ kenyc's post |  #52

I've noticed better contrast and saturation in all of my L primes over MOST zooms especially.




  
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Aug 22, 2008 09:35 |  #53

airfrogusmc wrote in post #6155889 (external link)
I've noticed better contrast and saturation in all of my L primes over MOST zooms especially.


Thanks.


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Aug 22, 2008 09:43 |  #54

canonloader wrote in post #6155888 (external link)
No, no filter at all. It almost has to be some artifact of the curve in the lens though, more photons hitting a small area at the outside edge of the frame, due to the curve of the glass. Also, they would seem to be coming at the sensor pixels at a different angle than say a telephoto. And I could have a totally wrong mental image of what's happening in there too. :lol:

Certainly could be, I'm far from an optics expert :) that's why I was wondering if it really could be that saturation is a function of the optics.


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Aug 22, 2008 10:59 |  #55

It almost has to be, I just don't know the science behind it. For instance, none of my over 50mm lenses show anything like it at all on the same body using the same settings.


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Aug 22, 2008 11:53 as a reply to  @ canonloader's post |  #56

Contrast will effect saturation. The less you have problems like refraction the higher the contrast. Better lenses usually have better contrast.




  
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Aug 22, 2008 12:48 |  #57

I like all of them, especially the long exposures. Time to get yourself a carbon fiber tripod for those long hike, becasue those pictures are amazing.


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Aug 22, 2008 14:24 as a reply to  @ marjnap's post |  #58

Wow, this thread took off. NONE of them are HDR, at least not by methods I've seen HDR's being made. The first one consists of the same RAW file being separately adjusted, one for the sky exposure, the other for the foreground exposure, then masked together in Photoshop. Same with 2,3,4 too. I usually like to edit the sky separate from the landscape to bring out the color and contrast with the clouds and not have the same effect applied to the landscape. The sky is almost always brighter than the foreground anyways, so I usually try to set my exposure to compensate for both without loosing details in my highlights or shadows, then using ACR to adjust the exposure for each and combine the two in PS.

I did the colors the way I did in 2, because it was a rather boring looking sunrise otherwise. I tend to like vivid colors as in that shot, as IMO the reality of most shots like that are rather boring or flat and the bright colors make it much more appealing to the eye, yet without over saturating it. Once again, just my opinion.

#4 had quite a bit of PP to it, as it was a very dull and gray day and I used a few curve adjustment layers to bring out the contrast in and add more detail to the shot. The sky was washed out in the original image and very flat, yet there's no highlight clipping in the image, even after PP.

P.S. I don't use any filters on any of my lenses, not even the UV filter. I did have a focus issue with my 5D that I got corrected by Canon that may have affected some of the shots.

#5 has no highlight blowouts in it either, even though some seem to think so. It was a long timed exposure, I think around 3-4 seconds and the only clipping of the highlights is at the very top where there's a blown out cloud. The PP of this one was very simple, I simply added contrast with the curves adjustment and then burnt the sky back in. I did not in any way add saturation or do anything to the colors. They came out in adding contrast to the image. The white balance was correct out of camera, so a little contrast was all it needed. The water is naturally that color due to natural lime deposits in it. The highlights in the water are bright, but not blown, and are really soft because of the timed exposure. I tend to like processing my images on the brighter end while watching out for blowouts in highlights and shadows if they're important.

#6 is just a stitched photo from 3 shots and no HDR in it. I just did an exposure adjustment and curves adjustment and left it as is beyond that.

I hope this answered the questions people had and if not, please ask and I will update my response. I didn't expect so many mixed opinions and replies in the short amount of time, but I do thank you all for your feedback and hope I've explained my technique and approach in a way that sheds light on why I edited them that way. I use to not believe in PP photos, but then realized in most cases, the reality of a photo is usually dull straight out of the camera and with a few modifications to it, you can make it look even better or perhaps all together different and resemble the way you see it as an artist. The feedback I get on my "modified" photos is far better than any feedback I got on the flat and dull photos straight from the camera I use to take and post a few years back.

Thanks again for the feedback and I'll gladly reply to any other questions and appreciate any additional comments, good or bad. :)


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Aug 22, 2008 14:26 as a reply to  @ imchillindave's post |  #59

all i know is that i like them. my 2cents :lol::lol:.

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Aug 22, 2008 18:28 |  #60

curiousgeorge wrote in post #6155830 (external link)
The water fall shot has halos around the top of the cliff, and is overexposed and oversaturated in places.

So I don't think it's fair to judge the lens based on this shot.

I understand your point and I did see the halos at the top. I guess we all have to wait and see what the OP says. Looking forward to that. :)




  
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