Why all the resistance to a movie-mode, to meet the D90?

IMO I think that we'll see it on every DSLR from a future 5D to entry level cameras. Just like the useless MP race to attract people that don't know any better Canon will add stuff like this and a direct print button before addressing issues that their core group of advanced users needs first.

All the manufacturers are obviously in business only to make money, and they will squeeze out small improvements every 1-3 years to keep us replacing bodies over and over. Gone are the days where you can buy one camera and use it for 30 years. I'm hoping once they go 16 bit in a couple of years the focus will be back on the durability of the body and quality of the lens line up.

Or maybe in a couple of years we'll be taking all of our images with a camcorder ...

tmcman wrote in post #6258945
If they spend 1 cent on something that doesn't give me better photos
they are misusing my money.
But maybe they'd say extra sales to people who want to score videos
along with their stills
help to pay for advancements in my photo gear.
OK, maybe...

Well they just spent a sh*t load of money developing the 50D which I have no interest in.

Concorde Rules wrote in post #6259702
I pay £600+ for a SLR body for its photographic abilities.

I do NOT want to pay for canon to R&D some ****** addon that compromises IQ of stills, buffer, the DIGIC processor, etc.

Fine add it to the consumer cameras, NOT to the xxD and above.

Canon's consumer line is the xxD. Expect it in the 60D next fall.

Honestly it's the statement of HD. It's not and if it is then the memory it will take up would be so insane and consumers would not be the wiser. I hated working retail with people that a) didn't know what they were talking about or b) lied just to sell something and that's what will happen here.

People will think they can just switch over and start recording their kids b-day party when it's already been stated that the longest it will record is 20min, hardly most wedding ceremonies.

Bob_A wrote in post #6260562
IMO I think that we'll see it on every DSLR from a future 5D to entry level cameras. Just like the useless MP race to attract people that don't know any better Canon will add stuff like this and a direct print button before addressing issues that their core group of advanced users needs first.

All the manufacturers are obviously in business only to make money, and they will squeeze out small improvements every 1-3 years to keep us replacing bodies over and over. Gone are the days where you can buy one camera and use it for 30 years. I'm hoping once they go 16 bit in a couple of years the focus will be back on the durability of the body and quality of the lens line up.

Or maybe in a couple of years we'll be taking all of our images with a camcorder ...

What...your old 20D / 30D / 40D suddenly blows up when the 50D is released. Only you determine when to upgrade...not Canon.

Yes...don't you know that?

I just don't want to pay for the cost, integration or R&D of that feature. My SVCR and DVD are separate not because I'm an elitist, but so I can get the best quality for each component.

I want Canons engineers working on ways to make the IQ, ISO and dynamic range better. I'd use a dye sub 4x6 printer that attached like a grip more than I'd use a video setting.

Hogloff wrote in post #6260752
What...your old 20D / 30D / 40D suddenly blows up when the 50D is released. Only you determine when to upgrade...not Canon.

I like my 20D, but am not totally impressed with some of its abilities. But I passed on the 5D because I could see there was still a ways to go with regards to DR, weather sealing, noise, colour rendition, flash metering, dust removal etc.

I'm patient enough to wait and see what the 5D MK II has to offer. If it's not what I want I'll have a lot of thinking to do.

_aravena wrote in post #6260753
Yes...don't you know that?

LOL ...

SlowBlink wrote in post #6260899
I just don't want to pay for the cost, integration or R&D of that feature. My SVCR and DVD are separate not because I'm an elitist, but so I can get the best quality for each component.

I want Canons engineers working on ways to make the IQ, ISO and dynamic range better. I'd use a dye sub 4x6 printer that attached like a grip more than I'd use a video setting.

I would second that dye sub, but how would that be different than a polaroid?

Oh wait, perhaps that's why canon keeps insisting on the direct print button, future camera will be able to directly print the image !

SlowBlink wrote in post #6260899
I'd use a dye sub 4x6 printer that attached like a grip more than I'd use a video setting.

A modern day Polaroid!

Bob_A wrote in post #6260903
I like my 20D, but am not totally impressed with some of its abilities. But I passed on the 5D because I could see there was still a ways to go with regards to DR, weather sealing, noise, colour rendition, flash metering, dust removal etc.

I'm patient enough to wait and see what the 5D MK II has to offer. If it's not what I want I'll have a lot of thinking to do.

I love my 20D and see the 40D as the perfect upgrade although the 5D is a thought if I decide to wait for a very very very long time. I can't really save with my current job. 40D = half the price so Christmas/bday = 40D?

strobe monkey wrote in post #6260279
I think movie mode is only for Point and shoot cameras. So is the D90.

What I want from Canon is a clean high ISO 6400 and a useable/acceptable ISO 12800 and ISO25600.

Don't we all? What you don't realise is that the development of this has pretty much nothing to do with the implementation of 'gimmicks' such as Movie Mode.

The purpose-gimping of a product spec sheet for the sake of maintaining line differentiation is a much more potent threat to your (and my own) aspirations of holding a camera which can do things like clean ISO 6400 than Movie mode will ever be. You think the inclusion of Movie mode somehow hacks into the progression of Canon's improvement in the high-ISO arena? There seems to be a prevalent thought among a few here that a Movie mode must somehow accommodate itself within the specs list by forcibly removing something else (such as a potentially better high-ISO performance).

It may seem so easy to blame features like Movie mode for the absence of more photo-centric developments such as a better high-ISO, but logically - it's fallacious.

You, I, and I'm sure everyone here would love a better high-ISO performance, but I don't believe laying the blame on something like Movie mode holds much merit.

Well, I for one will not be satisfied until my SLR comes with motorized zoom! I mean, the P&S crowd has it, so why not the "supposedly better" SLRs? They suck!


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Collin85 wrote in post #6263363
It may seem so easy to blame features like Movie mode for the absence of more photo-centric developments such as a better high-ISO, but logically - it's fallacious.

Of course it isn't fallacious - Canon is a business, just like any other, and that business will allocate an R&D budget, which will then be split across the various business categories (printers, photography, video, copiers, etc.) Each business category will then run projects (most likely defined by marketing guys who are trying to ensure that as many people buy the companies product as possible) which need to fit within the budget.

Developing video into the DSLR category will require investment, and that means some other project either gets less funding or is shelved.

I don't work in the electronics industry, but I do work in R&D, and the competition between projects for funding is real and it will always be the ones that the company see as having the highest potential return that get funded.

It seems pretty certain if you follow that chain of thought that if projects such as video inclusion go ahead, these could be to the detriment of other more photo-centric developments such as a better high-ISO. It may not be, but it will be another competing force for a limited pot of money.