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Sep 15, 2008 06:26 |  #31

Woolburr wrote in post #6309123 (external link)
That is why I have a 50 f/1.4 and an 85 f/1.8....I couldn't get excited about the L versions.

Well then, we're in concurrence. I wasn't overtly excited about the 50mm L or the 24mm L, so I got the considerably cheaper Zeiss 50mm and Zeiss 25mm…and for my 35mm; instead of the 35mm L, I got a Zeiss Jena for US$180…


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Sep 15, 2008 06:48 |  #32

farrukh wrote in post #6309075 (external link)
Failed to electrify KR too: http://www.kenrockwell​.com/zeiss/zf50.htm (external link)

Lol, some people would that that as a positive thing... ;)


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Sep 15, 2008 07:31 as a reply to  @ hitmanh's post |  #33

Just waiting for the same thing to happen with Leica glass...


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Sep 15, 2008 07:35 |  #34

New Leica glass, while exceptional, is horrendously overpriced. Especially their M mount lenses. They just announced a new M-mount Noctilux 50mm f/0.95, which will retail for nearly $10K. Holy crap. I know it'll be good, but come on, 10K for a 50mm? It's only a half stop faster than the 50L, and considering manual focus...it's only a half stop faster than my Rokkor 58 f/1.2, and that cost me $275. :) I'm sure it'll be slightly better optically, but is it $10K better, especially since the Leica M8 (only 5K for the rangefinder body) has a pretty average sensor?


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Sep 15, 2008 07:46 |  #35

These have to be some very specialised lenses, being only MF: I'm sure the optical quality will be great though. Probably some great lenses for a studio use. Hence, not for me ;-)a


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Sep 15, 2008 08:16 |  #36

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Hard to get real excited about manual focus lenses selling for $820 and $1415 respectively. I'm sure that to some folks it might be justified...but not this one.;)

x2...whats the point of having an AF camera if you have to MF the lenses.


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Sep 15, 2008 08:19 |  #37

Woolburr wrote in post #6309028 (external link)
Hard to get real excited about manual focus lenses selling for $820 and $1415 respectively. I'm sure that to some folks it might be justified...but not this one.;)

Those aren't the actual prices..




  
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Sep 15, 2008 08:22 |  #38

Manual focus with a proper lens (i.e, a real focus ring, not the crap that's on 95% of AF lenses) is quite enjoyable. Since I have gotten into older, high quality MF primes, I love manually focusing them. I feel a connection with the subject, and it actually improves my photography. I enjoy the process. Also, the fact that I can get L-prime image quality from lenses a fraction of the cost. I do have a split prism focus screen in my 30D, which makes manual focus a lot easier too.


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Sep 15, 2008 09:04 as a reply to  @ post 6309701 |  #39

This is very very good. I have never used one but the current understanding is that they will resolve more information from the sensor thus giving a sharper better image. Of course they are manual focus only so only for certain uses.

I was a bit surpised to see how cheap the 50mm was... only $600.




  
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Sep 15, 2008 09:06 |  #40

My first ZE lens will be the 100/2 Makro, second will be the 35/2.


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Sep 15, 2008 09:06 |  #41

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This is very very good. I have never used one but the current understanding is that they will resolve more information from the sensor thus giving a sharper better image. Of course they are manual focus only so only for certain uses.

I was a bit surpised to see how cheap the 50mm was... only $600.

It should fall to $500 like the ZF version. The 85mm to $1000.




  
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Sep 15, 2008 11:29 |  #42

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Or Probably worst because Cosina is making them now.

And the Voigtlander 125mm APO-Lanthar was made by Cosina. Not everything of high quality comes out only from Germany.

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Failed to electrify KR too: http://www.kenrockwell​.com/zeiss/zf50.htm (external link)

I will agree that the 50mm 1.4 ZF is disappointing, but that's all he's reviewed!

I'm excited that it's a EF mount that I now don't need to stop down meter which I would have had to have done with the Contax lenses. I'm waiting for the ZE equivolents of the ZF 50 F/2, 35 F/2, 28 F/2.8 and 18 F/3.5



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Sep 15, 2008 11:43 |  #43

Jman13 wrote in post #6309036 (external link)
They won't sell for the exchange rate...look at the ZF mount...same price in $ as it is in Euro. :) And, considering the 85 Planar is nearly the optical equal of the 85L, with a much nicer build quality, if you don't need AF, it's a steal for almost half the price.

The 50 f/1.4 is vastly optically superior to Canon's own 50 f/1.4, and probably even a bit better than the 50L, for only a couple hundred more than the Canon 50 f/1.4.

Both are a matter of opinion. I'd like to wait for a proper review or two. The older Contax Zeiss Planar 50 F/1.4 certainly is no better than the Canon version. At F/4 and F/5.6 they are probably about equally good, IMO, and up to F/2.8 both are not very good, again IMO.

When I buy a fast lens, I want it to be eminently usable at large apertures, and IMO neither the EF 50 F/1.4 or the CZ Planar 50 F/1.4 are.

I have never used or owned a Planar 85, so I can't comment about that particular lens, but I do know I really like the IQ of the 85L.

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Sep 15, 2008 11:57 |  #44

Jman13 wrote in post #6309555 (external link)
Manual focus with a proper lens (i.e, a real focus ring, not the crap that's on 95% of AF lenses) is quite enjoyable. Since I have gotten into older, high quality MF primes, I love manually focusing them. I feel a connection with the subject, and it actually improves my photography. I enjoy the process. Also, the fact that I can get L-prime image quality from lenses a fraction of the cost. I do have a split prism focus screen in my 30D, which makes manual focus a lot easier too.

It is actually possible to get L-like quality from many lenses, provided you use those at their sweet spots and know how to process images well enough.

The thing that makes L-primes stand out, is that they actually are usable wide open, and 1/3 of a stop closed are truly excellent. IMO, older lens designs are generally not capable of this feat, although there are a few exceptions (CZ 21 F/2.8 comes to mind).

Apart from that, it also depends on what one prefers. Personally, I really enjoy the look L-primes provide, the contrast, colour, sharpness and bokeh. If somebody else prefers CZ, or Sigma, or Tokina, or Nikon, or Tamron, or whatever, that's great. In the end it is what each of us can or wants to make of a particular combination. And for that, I am really glad we all have a choice, and more than one for that :D.

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Sep 15, 2008 12:01 |  #45

Poe wrote in post #6310525 (external link)
And the Voigtlander 125mm APO-Lanthar was made by Cosina. Not everything of high quality comes out only from Germany.


I will agree that the 50mm 1.4 ZF is disappointing, but that's all he's reviewed!

I'm excited that it's a EF mount that I now don't need to stop down meter which I would have had to have done with the Contax lenses. I'm waiting for the ZE equivolents of the ZF 50 F/2, 35 F/2, 28 F/2.8 and 18 F/3.5

All old school 50 mm F/1.4 designs, AFAIK, are not all that great up to F/2.8, just look at all the lens tests around, or try a few. Often the slightly slower brethren (F/1.7, F/1.8, F/2) of the class are better up to about F/4.

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