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5D vs. D700

 
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Sep 17, 2008 11:11 |  #16

cyrn wrote in post #6325433 (external link)
Not sure where you got your info from... Sony is unchallenged in P&S.

disorder wrote in post #6325456 (external link)
Really? I though Canon pretty much had the P&S market in the bag.

In my eyes, the D700 is the better camera... on paper. I definitely want to see samples. If the 5D MkII can deliver high iso performance superior to the D700, then that may be a deal breaker for me.

Poked around the web a bit and it looks like in 2007 Canon was on top with 18%, Sony #2 with 16%, Kodak with 9% and Nikon with 8 1/2 and Nikon was the company coming on strong at Canon's expense.
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Sep 17, 2008 11:16 |  #17

gjl711 wrote in post #6325573 (external link)
Poked around the web a bit and it looks like in 2007 Canon was on top with 18%, Sony #2 with 16%, Kodak with 9% and Nikon with 8 1/2 and Nikon was the company coming on strong at Canon's expense.
http://news.cnet.com/8​301-13580_3-9882670-39.html (external link)

Nice sleuthing.

I wonder what the market trend looks like over the past 5 years.... (i will be expecting data soon.. jk ;))


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Sep 17, 2008 11:27 |  #18

D700 has the:

51 point AF
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5fps (8fps with grip)
crop mode for DX lens support (less megapixels but still decent)


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Sep 17, 2008 11:45 as a reply to  @ smcclelland's post |  #19

I recently switched from the 5D to the D700. The things that the D700 offers that the even the 5D Mk2 still doesn't have are:

-Better AF, by far: 15 cross type sensors among the 51 points, 3D tracking is amazing, highly customizable dynamic AF modes.

-Better Exposure modes: the spot metering is 1.5% (as opposed to 3.5%) and is linked to the active focus point. The 5Ds' always spot meter at the center. This doesn't exist on any Canon except the 1-series.

-Pop-up flash: as a commander flash, this just saved me around $300. I don't have to buy a remote transmitter, or another flash. I can just buy 1 flash and now have the ability to creatively light a subject. And it also doubles as a fill flash in an emergency. It's better than nothing. I really don't get people who say things like "ew" to an inbuilt flash. Obviously I wouldn't use it for straight-on flash, duh.

-5fps and the ability to go to 8fps. Self-explanatory. I bet anybody who is considering buying the 5DMk2 would have been happier with 16 megapixels and 5fps.

-Better build quality, particularly for the Nikon lenses. Compare the Nikkor 24-70 to the Canon 24-70. Real lens caps too, yay!


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Sep 17, 2008 11:53 |  #20

Jadis wrote in post #6325855 (external link)
I recently switched from the 5D to the D700. The things that the D700 offers that the even the 5D Mk2 still doesn't have are:

-Better AF, by far: 15 cross type sensors among the 51 points, 3D tracking is amazing, highly customizable dynamic AF modes.

-Better Exposure modes: the spot metering is 1.5% (as opposed to 3.5%) and is linked to the active focus point. The 5Ds' always spot meter at the center. This doesn't exist on any Canon except the 1-series.

-Pop-up flash: as a commander flash, this just saved me around $300. I don't have to buy a remote transmitter, or another flash. I can just buy 1 flash and now have the ability to creatively light a subject. And it also doubles as a fill flash in an emergency. It's better than nothing. I really don't get people who say things like "ew" to an inbuilt flash. Obviously I wouldn't use it for straight-on flash, duh.

-5fps and the ability to go to 8fps. Self-explanatory. I bet anybody who is considering buying the 5DMk2 would have been happier with 16 megapixels and 5fps.

-Better build quality, particularly for the Nikon lenses. Compare the Nikkor 24-70 to the Canon 24-70. Real lens caps too, yay!

I agree... and the 70-200 f/2.8 as well.

The only thing that Nikon lags behind is their lens lineup


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Sep 17, 2008 11:53 |  #21

The D700 is definitely not all that which I have been reading from posts. The only thing it has on the Mk2 is the 5FPS. Think about the 51 pt AF for a sec. Overkill in some respects. The only ones I think are worth while are the 15 cross types. The rest are cool but only for the sports aspect. The Mk2 has it's 15 cross types of which 9 are selectable and 6 assists. The 3.9fps to 5fps...I'd much rather take the 3.9fps with almost twice the resolution!! If I really need a 12mp 5fps camera I'd keep my 40D or get a 1D Mk3 (granted they are not full frame!! I understand that point). Look at the ISO specs. D700 - 200 to 6400 w/ 100@L, 12800@H1, and 25600@H2; 5DMk2 - 100 to 12800 w/ 50@L and 25600@H1. I again lean for the lower option for cleaner pics and can still get the 25600 that the D700 can get. Actually I think the D700 having the 100 as a low setting is a ploy just to say that they can reach the 25600 mark raising the entire bracket a stop to do it (just an opinion). The VF's, D700 95%, 5Dmk2 98%. The D700 being able to use all the lens format is a plus to it with no Ef-s use for the 5DMk2. But who really cares about that?? The D700 seams to have better sealing, the 5DMk2....it's a Canon!! Better IQ, uses the lenses I have, better layout and ergs, and if it's ANYTHING compared to the original 5D IQ (esp Hi ISO quality) then it's going to be friggin awesome!!.

It's all personal opinion of course, but I just don't see the D700 as good as everyone thinks. If it was 16Mp or higher then Nikon would have hit it out of the park with those features. D700 or 5DMk2?? What do you want to sacrifice, IQ or features? My choice..5D Mk2 and either a 40D/50D or 1D Mk3 as a secondary when I need the speed.

Of course I can't afford anything with current gas and food prices until my kids move out but it's a goal. You Nikon users are getting good gear options now though. I must admit that.....

EDIT - after taking so long to post I have read the new posts just above me. The D700 has the MUCH better spot metering also!! And I can't comment but have heard Nikon's flash system is head over heals compared to Canon's. I still don't use many flash features on my 580EX and studio lights so I just can't say.


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Sep 17, 2008 11:55 |  #22

gjl711 wrote in post #6325573 (external link)
Poked around the web a bit and it looks like in 2007 Canon was on top with 18%, Sony #2 with 16%, Kodak with 9% and Nikon with 8 1/2 and Nikon was the company coming on strong at Canon's expense.
http://news.cnet.com/8​301-13580_3-9882670-39.html (external link)

I stand corrected. :o


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Sep 17, 2008 12:02 |  #23

Sgt_Hovanec wrote in post #6325938 (external link)
..The Mk2 has it's 15 cross types of which 9 are selectable and 6 assists....

This would be great if it were so, but the MkII has only the center point a cross type.


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Sep 17, 2008 12:02 |  #24

gjl711 wrote in post #6325573 (external link)
Poked around the web a bit and it looks like in 2007 Canon was on top with 18%, Sony #2 with 16%, Kodak with 9% and Nikon with 8 1/2 and Nikon was the company coming on strong at Canon's expense.
http://news.cnet.com/8​301-13580_3-9882670-39.html (external link)


Hey, where was Panasonic is that research you did?? I love the FZ-5 I have and the other Lumix's are pretty good also. Did they even come close to the other companies??


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Sep 17, 2008 12:04 |  #25

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Hey, where was Panasonic is that research you did?? I love the FZ-5 I have and the other Lumix's are pretty good also. Did they even come close to the other companies??

Click the link, the top 10 are there Panasonic is neck and neck with Olympus, Nikon, and Samsung.


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Sep 17, 2008 12:05 |  #26

He's right about the AF!!!! I just read it in black and white. :-( I REALLY don't understand why Canon would do that. Even the newer Rebels have more cross types. Sorry about my misread guys!! Thank God I only shoot static subjects...but I'm still aiming for a 1D Mark III for the sports side.


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Sep 17, 2008 12:06 |  #27

gjl711 wrote in post #6326044 (external link)
Click the link, the top 10 are there Panasonic is neck and neck with Olympus, Nikon, and Samsung.

Duh!! Cool, thank you Sir...


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Sep 17, 2008 12:08 |  #28

Sgt_Hovanec wrote in post #6326053 (external link)
... :-( I REALLY don't understand why Canon would do that. Even the newer Rebels have more cross types. Sorry about my misread guys!! Thank God I only shoot static subjects...but I'm still aiming for a 1D Mark III for the sports side.

That one really surprised me as well. I would have expected that at a minimum the MkII would have matched the 50D in AF performance. Maybe it's a misprint.


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Sep 17, 2008 12:16 |  #29

I'm not totally down about it yet...one website (the 5D Mk2's own site) says only one cross type and the EOS site (Canon's USA's main site) has 9 cross type....so which is it going to be?? I'd really be surprised if it's only one. We'll see. The press release has 9 also though. Either way, I can't get one unless something really crazy happens. I'm building my first home so camera stuff's on the back burner. If you get one please PM me and let me know how she is compared to the original 5D. Thanks again, I always enjoy reading/talking with you gjl711.


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Sep 17, 2008 17:24 |  #30

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I am a Canon user but I really admire D700 interms of

51 focus points (15 cross-type sensors)
Exposure compensation of +/-5.0 EV
Pop up flash
5fps

The most disappointing about 5D MKII will be the 9 AF point with only the cross at the center. It seems to be worse than 50D. I do not understand that is mean by "6 Invisible Assist AF points"??

The next will be the 3.9fps. It's only a slight improvement over the 5D. I do not believe Canon do not have the technology to do it.

The pop up flash is a very generous offer by Nikon. Altough the pop up flash has no compare with the external flash but there are occasional situation you need flash but do not have the external flash around.

I believe all this is due to they strategy to proctect the 1D.

The real beauty of the pop-up flash in the D700 is that you can use it as a wireless controller for off-camera dedicated flash units. With Canon you have to buy the ST-E2 wireless controller.




  
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