Why do I feel disapointed?

Instead of getting a pro camera with more pro features(more bracketing, fps, af, weather sealing), we are getting a video-cam.

i think the 5dmk2 just wasnt what a lot of people were expecting.. but it never is. you always see so much hype here on the forum. and then when its released, everyone is semper butt-hurtis.

but i think for the things they did upgrade.. were good upgrades.

i think the video mode is uber lame. but whatever.. there is always going to be someone out there who will buy it. for that, and the fact that its full frame.

I don't know why you're all passing judgment so soon. What I really want to know - and will only be clear once careful side-by-side comparative reviews are published - is how much higher the ISO can be put while still getting equivalent IQ. There are the usual complications with comparison when MPs differ, with the usual approaches/issues:
- comparisons of overall image quality:
- 5D image upscaled to 21MP (in software scaling might seemingly improve/worsen image)
- 5DmkII image downscaled to 12MP (very likely to undersell the mkII's abilities)
- comparisons of 100% crops:
- 5DmkII zoomed out to cover the same angle with 12MPs worth of sensor (but lens might be better/worse zoomed out)
- 5DmkII moved further away to cover the same angle with 12MPs worth of sensor, but smaller area of lens used, e.g. centre typically better than edges)
etc..

I'll be waiting on this kind of analysis. If it really offers equivalent IQ at at least four times the ISO, then I'll be jumping on it doing cartwheels. That's almost like having your f/4 lenses suddenly become f/2 without the extra weight. And for the "21MP is too much" crowd, consider it as a built in 1.4x converter so your 200mm reaches out to 280mm without the extra weight. Back-saving technology this high-ISO high-MP stuff.

Re frame rates, weather sealing - yeah - I'd like it too. It's stupid that we're carrying around these $3000 cameras worrying a few drops of rain or a gust of wind over some loose dirt will bugger them up. For a relaxed change, I'd like just to have to worry about dropping it and having the CF die on me (touch wood). I don't care about focus points - I almost always use the middle and then frame, but then that just suits my subject matter. HD video sounds like a hoot - I imagine I'll try it for a bit, then, ummm... I also have a Canon HD camcorder I never use.

And Canon (you sneaky evesdroppers) how about Linux ports of your software????

My biggest negative suspicion is that there's no significant improvement in dynamic range. I typically can't be bothered with tripods and HDR. I hate the look of blown highlights and shadows I can't bring up credibly. I do want the camera to capture it right to begin with. If I want tone-mapping, I want to be doing it for the look not out of necessity or desperation.

Anyway, be disappointed if you must, but don't expect it to be universal. Judgement's still out.

UK price is a blatant insult though - do a weekender to NY, pay the VAT on return, and I'd imagine you'd still save.... Haven't heard the prices here in Japan yet.

Cheers,
Tony

I was excited last night when the announcement was made but after reading a bit more about the new body reality is setting in. I think I was mixing up evolution and revolution and I was expecting Canon to come out with something that would clearly establish a new benchmark for all others to aim for.

The 5D we got is a very nice camera easily better than any other Canon body out today but incrementally so. It seems to have only one new feature, HD, which I have little interest in. All the others are features which have been released in other bodies already and packaged in the new 5D. I was envisioning features like GPS tagging, wireless connectivity, built in HDR, new sensor technology, better AF and others.

My initial reactions are of disappointment. I was really hoping for the weather sealing and much improved AF. I have no interest at all in the video and that feature alone will probably keep me from buying. I'll wait for more test results but I'm also going to start shopping Nikon and make comparisons. It might be time for a switch, or, I'll just stick with my current 5D for another generation.

Anyone seen any other samples besides the to at ISO 100 on the Canon site?

Weather sealing....a couple of questions for the folks pushing for it:

Do you have insurance on your gear?
Have you actually damaged a camera in the rain, with dust or any other way that sealing would help?
If yes, how?
If no, have you tried shooting in the rain, dust, etc?

I am just trying to figure out what i am missing. I figure either i have been lucky: i shoot in the rain with a 5D (trying to cover it a bit), shoot in incredibly dust places where i should be wearing a respirator, I even submerged a 20D...
Or maybe my photography doesnt put me in situations that need sealing...

I'm disappointed because I had hoped Canon would release a D700 killer, and it didn't. I get the feeling they're targeting the soccer mom crowd...

I'm underwhelmed.... The most important upgrade I was really hoping for was improved autofocus. Sure it's mentioned that Canon improved/added sensors for Auto-Servo mode. But I don't shoot in AS mode. I don't have a 5D but my buddy has one that I computer tech for and many times in low light the 5D misses focus. I always sweat bullets when he is shooting (fashion) in low light. My 15+ year old Nikon 8008 auto focuses better than my XT. I do have an XTi that auto focuses excellently though...even in low light.

I'm on the fence about buying one now...just have to wait and see about IQ, Auto Focus accuracy, and such.

gregkendallball wrote in post #6326255
I'm disappointed because I had hoped Canon would release a D700 killer, and it didn't. I get the feeling they're targeting the soccer mom crowd...

EXACTLY.

I can see a whole bunch of new "amateurs" (not knocking, i'm one, too) running around with their kit lenses (yes, 24-105 is fantastic) shooting full auto with the 5D MkII. No on-board flash though... oh what are they to do?!

considering the rumours started off with quite low expectations and only recently got hyped out of proportion - I am very happy with the new 5D - that'll do nicely ta Mr Canon!

btw why's this thread in the rumours section???

Wooops, yes micro adjustment.

Johnny V wrote in post #6326268
I'm underwhelmed.... The most important upgrade I was really hoping for was improved autofocus. Sure it's mentioned that Canon improved/added sensors for Auto-Servo mode. But I don't shoot in AS mode. I don't have a 5D but my buddy has one that I computer tech for and many times in low light the 5D misses focus. I always sweat bullets when he is shooting (fashion) in low light. My 15+ year old Nikon 8008 auto focuses better than my XT. I do have an XTi that auto focuses excellently though...even in low light.

I'm on the fence about buying one now...just have to wait and see about IQ, Auto Focus accuracy, and such.

I share your sentiments, Johnny. I was totally disappointed to see the 5D II come with essentially the same AF system as the Mk I. Heck, even the 40D/50D has more accurate AF with all 9 AF points being the cross type. And yet the 5D II only has the center AF point with a cross type sensor?! If Canon wasn't going to give us the 45-point system (which I completely understand), at least give us something more sophisticated than before?!

I am glad to see the other evolutionary specs, and I have high hopes for this camera's low light performance. However, I'll reserve my final judgment at least until I see some detailed comparison tests and test images. Two particularly important criteria are subjective high iso image noise and image colour tones. Both of these factors are the biggest strengths of the original 5D. The 5D II would be a complete failure in my eyes if it cannot deliver noticeable improvements in these two criteria.

As a current 5D owner, the lack of AF improvements in the Mk II is already a major disappointment. There is no way I would consider an upgrade if high iso performance and colour tones have not seen noticeable improvements.

-Lik

I too am disappointed. I wanted a second body and have been waiting. I am not disappointed because of the hype and rumors. The "destined evolution" bit by Canon was misleading though.

The 5D II is pretty ok I guess. I think I am just surprised at the lack of innovation from Canon compared to Nikon. Both with lenses and bodies.

I sort of feel like Canon is going down hill fast and they don't get it. They seem to be focused on the growing low-end DSLR and P&S market much more than mid/high range DSLR innovation these days. This is worrisome and disappointing when you have a bunch of money invested in their products!

What's the deal with the end of November release date too? The D700 was on store shelves in Japan less then 3 weeks after they announced it. Canon waited as long as possible to announce a mediocre 5D upgrade and now we have to wait until the end of the year to try it out... Just poor planning and design all around.

You know all of you complaining just want a 1Ds Mark III functions and capabilities for a 5D Price, and that is just not going to happen. The 5D Mark 2 is $2699, and I don’t see how it cost too much for what you are getting. If you want full weather seal, go for the 1Ds Mark3 ($7999). If you want faster shutter speeds, go for the 1D Mark 3. All in all I am pleased with the 5D Mark 2