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Sep 18, 2008 02:06 |  #31

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LoL... it's Yahoo!, what do you expect... :lol:

Ouch... you got me there! :lol:


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Sep 18, 2008 02:33 |  #32

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Canon did have the 5DII ready around the same time as the 1DsIII. It does seem very odd for them to wait this long to release an update to the 5D.




  
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Sep 18, 2008 02:44 as a reply to  @ bsaber's post |  #33

It is actually very common in many industries. Marketing decides what the company needs, and engineering develops it. It can be very frustrating for us engineers!:evil:

Ultimately it comes down to Marketing saying that xx feature will sell yy more units. More units means more revenue.


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Sep 18, 2008 02:47 |  #34

bsaber wrote in post #6331546 (external link)
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Canon did have the 5DII ready around the same time as the 1DsIII. It does seem very odd for them to wait this long to release an update to the 5D.

As I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been sitting on the 5D Mk II for at least 12-14 months. Using essentially older sensor technology, when clearly, the 50D's is more current, as well as essentially the same 9-point autofocus system is highly suspect.
I'll bet you up until about 4 months ago, the 5D Mk II still had the same crappy low-res 3" LCD as found on the 1Ds Mk III & 40D.

I'm really trying hard not to be negative, but if Canon keeps the 5D Mk II around for as long as the 5D, they are sorely going to be left behind.


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Sep 18, 2008 03:20 |  #35

Happens in every business. Operations people complaining about sales. I think the sensor will get used, but the engineers have to understand business is about selling. Nothing more, nothing less.




  
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Sep 18, 2008 03:21 |  #36

I doubt the engineers truly give a rat's ass what Canon decides to put in their cameras. They're likely to be salaried. They go to work, do their job, then go home. Rinse & repeat.


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Sep 18, 2008 03:22 |  #37

its true, show someone my 1dmkII and the main question is; "how many pixels does it have", what, only 8?!! [raised eyebrows and all that]
if this report is true, well, just shows all is not well in the canon camp and they're straying from the path a little...will just have to see how the IQ comes out with the production cameras then




  
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Sep 18, 2008 04:53 |  #38

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I doubt the engineers truly give a rat's ass what Canon decides to put in their cameras. They're likely to be salaried. They go to work, do their job, then go home. Rinse & repeat.

The engineers who work for me are all salaried and they all have a lot of pride in what they do and a lot of drive to make the product the best possible.

That said, if they worked for Canon they might agree (or disagree) with decisions on marketing features and price points.

For sure though, all engineers would disagree with adding MP to a camera if that reduced performance without saving costs. But who knows. The odds of a Japanese engineer talking through his hat to a journalist strikes me as low given every Japanese engineer I've worked with.


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Sep 18, 2008 05:18 |  #39

Well, there you go. The same, old pathetic story.

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"Jam those megapixels on there! We want a hundred-billion in the space of a postage stamp! Image quality? To hell with it! WE WANT HEADLINES!"


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Sep 18, 2008 08:21 |  #40

I've gotta say - that was one of the poorest written articles I think I've ever read. As a result, I really don't think I would put a lot of weight in it. The reporting and the quotes both sound like they came from a 10 year old.


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Sep 18, 2008 08:56 |  #41

rdricks wrote in post #6331569 (external link)
It is actually very common in many industries. Marketing decides what the company needs, and engineering develops it. It can be very frustrating for us engineers!:evil:

Ultimately it comes down to Marketing saying that xx feature will sell yy more units. More units means more revenue.

Yup, it's very annoying, marketing easily get caught up in playing the numbers/feature of the day game... it's very fustrating when you have real ideas about improving your product, but get forced to putting time into make x bigger than the competitors version of x. The best companies never allow any one department to dictate the product.


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Sep 18, 2008 09:29 |  #42
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I dont' know how true this is...but I'll post the same thing I posted elsewhere:

Ya know? Whatever.

I get tired of reading the Nikon vs. Canon crap and those that think the D700 is God's gift to photography. That Canon is somehow so far behind. The people that are upset the 5D MkII isn't what THEY wanted so they think selling all of their Canon lenses and bodies and switching to Nikon is somehow a smart thing to do.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Sure you get more "tools" these days - AF adjustments, higher ISO usable, etc. But I can still take an excellent photo with a 10D. It's not about how new your camera or how many megapixels or how expensive your lens is. Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.


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Sep 18, 2008 09:55 as a reply to  @ OdiN1701's post |  #43

I thought you guys & gals would find it rather interesting either way.

Not defending Yahoo but they do come up with some stuff that other news outlets overlook or don't have access to at times.




  
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Sep 18, 2008 10:00 |  #44
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Tsmith wrote in post #6333127 (external link)
I thought you guys & gals would find it rather interesting either way.

Not defending Yahoo but they do come up with some stuff that other news outlets overlook or don't have access to at times.

Gee...wonder why....


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Sep 18, 2008 10:53 |  #45

OdiN1701 wrote in post #6332969 (external link)
I get tired of reading the Nikon vs. Canon crap and those that think the D700 is God's gift to photography. That Canon is somehow so far behind. The people that are upset the 5D MkII isn't what THEY wanted so they think selling all of their Canon lenses and bodies and switching to Nikon is somehow a smart thing to do.

Other camera producers seem to produce stuff that looks useful, while Canon and Sony crank up the mega pixels. This makes us people who chose Canon appear like noobs (look, my camera has 21 mega pixels! Whatever ...)

OdiN1701 wrote in post #6332969 (external link)
Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

While I've seen excellent pictures made with 300D and 350D, I don't see why I should pay thousands of Euros to get something which offers little more. Nikon pulled ahead with the d700 (small form factor case, FF sensor, pro AF) some months ago. People here in the forum told us not to worry, Canon our overlord prepares the ultimate revolution in digital imaging. What came instead was a pointless mega pixel increase with 9 point AF.

Call it whatever you want, but a revolution in digital imaging looks different from what I see here.

OdiN1701 wrote in post #6332969 (external link)
Sure you get more "tools" these days - AF adjustments, higher ISO usable, etc. But I can still take an excellent photo with a 10D. It's not about how new your camera or how many megapixels or how expensive your lens is. Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

If a 10D fits everybody's needs, everyone can go and get one for very few 100 Euros. No need for a 5D then, and certainly no need for a new 5D II.

OdiN1701 wrote in post #6332969 (external link)
Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

If you are about to seriously invest in camera gear, you want to know very well which vendor offers you a future. Once you're invested, it's quite expensive to switch. By introducing a 21 mega pixel camera with 9 point AF Canon demonstrated, that their target audience is clueless P&S shooters with too much money in their hands.

PS: I've never seen so many cheaply priced Canon mount pro lenses in the used market ever before, it's like a fire sale right now. Tell me what you want, people must be switching in droves.

PS: I'm glad this new 5D has those specs, saves me a lot of money :p


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